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This is absurd and is why people prefer Apple computers, where one company controls the whole software and hardware stack (that includes touchpad drivers) and c

This is absurd and is why people prefer Apple computers, where one company controls the whole software and hardware stack (that includes touchpad drivers) and can ensure that this shit doesn't happen.

Gaelan 9y ago
You don’t use iCloud Drive, do you?
- mitchty 9y ago
  I do, are we going to use anecdotes as data? What about iCloud drive applies to drivers for hardware in this instance?
  - Gaelan 9y ago
    Huh, this might be unique to me. bird (responsible for iC drive syncing) frequently pegs my CPU.
    - ascagnel_ 9y ago
      I see that as well, and I figured it was Apple letting its race-to-sleep style get out of hand.
- djrogers 9y ago
  I do, and since day one with 4 computers, 3 iCloud accounts, and many hundreds of GB of data I've never had a problem. What's your point?
  - Gaelan 9y ago
    Huh, I guess it's unique to me. See my reply to the other person.
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seanmcdirmid 9y ago
Apple laptop touch pads work great for Windows also. Something else is going on.
- amygdyl 9y ago
  I also have a feeling that something else is going on. Did you also notice that such a wild claim was made in a busy HN discussion, and the response was not a barrage of down votes and the universality of scorn often reserved for gross inaccuracies and blatant bias? Are we being tolerant of the commenter? Or are we tolerant of Apple and favouritism? I should have split the last two carefully but I'll leave it as is, deliberately. Are we all just vaguely aware of the existence of a delusion in which we have been deprived of accurate evaluation of Apple, equally as anyone? Does only professional exposure to the market information, save us from a delusion? Important to also ask, is the delusion that Apple is the preferred professional choice a established popular belief? Edit: Deleted parenthetical superfluous comments in 1st last paragraphs, only linking continued argument in my profile. I was interested in discussing the possibility of delusions becoming more frequent, even among the least likely to be influenced professions. This intrigues me, and I ponder whether, if you can clearly convince political beliefs, is it possible to engineer a exodus to a Facebook replacement that isn't a tool that can be purposed for political delusion creation? I have become scared to even think about how me could possibly never be able to tell what the truth is around us.
eps 9y ago
Given that Windows owns 90% of the desktop market the "people prefer Apple computers" statement would qualify as a slight exaggeration. Also the reason this lovely %-age exists in the first place is exactly the fact that IBM let others build for their platform.
- freehunter 9y ago
  Slight exaggeration maybe, but there is a wide gap between "prefers" and "owns". I prefer Lexus vehicles, but I own a Toyota because I can't afford a Lexus. You might then say that I prefer Toyota, but my second car is a Chrysler because Toyota doesn't offer what I needed for my second car. And the reason IBM PC clones became popular isn't because IBM "let" people clone them, but because the IBM PC was rushed out the door to compete with Apple.
- symlinkk 9y ago
  Most people don't care about computers. Most people spend maybe a couple hours a day in front of a computer and so they will buy the cheapest option they have available. That option will be Windows every time, because they cut corners and end up with shoddy products like this. For the small minority of the population that spends a large amount of time in front of computers and makes their income from computers (programmers, digital artists) they almost all use Macs.
  - astura 9y ago
    Almost always? I don't know any programmers that use Macs.
    - brians 9y ago
      I wonder where you are! In Boston, and at mathy CS conferences, 15" MacBooks are routine. Someone always has a Surface, and 10-50% are thinkpads or XPS with Linux.
      - astura 9y ago
thomastjeffery 9y ago
Apple's business model seems mostly based on that premise. Ideally, drivers are open-source, but Apple has found that centralization is still a noticeably workable compromise. Unfortunately for Apple, that quickly falls apart when they don't support modern features like Vulkan...
awalton 9y ago
Meanwhile they've some of the shittiest GL and graphics drivers on the planet. So much for vertical software integration. But hey, they've got proprietary replacements for GL and Vulkan, no need to be standards compliant or portable!
ghusbands 9y ago
In the article, it does say that Microsoft might shim the driver (add some code to Windows to make the driver's idiocy lower impact), so they have the one-company advantage, too.

Gaelan 9y ago

You don’t use iCloud Drive, do you?

mitchty 9y ago
I do, are we going to use anecdotes as data? What about iCloud drive applies to drivers for hardware in this instance?
- Gaelan 9y ago
  Huh, this might be unique to me. bird (responsible for iC drive syncing) frequently pegs my CPU.
  - ascagnel_ 9y ago
    I see that as well, and I figured it was Apple letting its race-to-sleep style get out of hand.
djrogers 9y ago
I do, and since day one with 4 computers, 3 iCloud accounts, and many hundreds of GB of data I've never had a problem. What's your point?
- Gaelan 9y ago
  Huh, I guess it's unique to me. See my reply to the other person.

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seanmcdirmid 9y ago

Apple laptop touch pads work great for Windows also. Something else is going on.

amygdyl 9y ago
I also have a feeling that something else is going on. Did you also notice that such a wild claim was made in a busy HN discussion, and the response was not a barrage of down votes and the universality of scorn often reserved for gross inaccuracies and blatant bias? Are we being tolerant of the commenter? Or are we tolerant of Apple and favouritism? I should have split the last two carefully but I'll leave it as is, deliberately. Are we all just vaguely aware of the existence of a delusion in which we have been deprived of accurate evaluation of Apple, equally as anyone? Does only professional exposure to the market information, save us from a delusion? Important to also ask, is the delusion that Apple is the preferred professional choice a established popular belief? Edit: Deleted parenthetical superfluous comments in 1st last paragraphs, only linking continued argument in my profile. I was interested in discussing the possibility of delusions becoming more frequent, even among the least likely to be influenced professions. This intrigues me, and I ponder whether, if you can clearly convince political beliefs, is it possible to engineer a exodus to a Facebook replacement that isn't a tool that can be purposed for political delusion creation? I have become scared to even think about how me could possibly never be able to tell what the truth is around us.

eps 9y ago

Given that Windows owns 90% of the desktop market the "people prefer Apple computers" statement would qualify as a slight exaggeration. Also the reason this lovely %-age exists in the first place is exactly the fact that IBM let others build for their platform.

freehunter 9y ago
Slight exaggeration maybe, but there is a wide gap between "prefers" and "owns". I prefer Lexus vehicles, but I own a Toyota because I can't afford a Lexus. You might then say that I prefer Toyota, but my second car is a Chrysler because Toyota doesn't offer what I needed for my second car. And the reason IBM PC clones became popular isn't because IBM "let" people clone them, but because the IBM PC was rushed out the door to compete with Apple.
symlinkk 9y ago
Most people don't care about computers. Most people spend maybe a couple hours a day in front of a computer and so they will buy the cheapest option they have available. That option will be Windows every time, because they cut corners and end up with shoddy products like this. For the small minority of the population that spends a large amount of time in front of computers and makes their income from computers (programmers, digital artists) they almost all use Macs.
- astura 9y ago
  Almost always? I don't know any programmers that use Macs.
  - brians 9y ago
    I wonder where you are! In Boston, and at mathy CS conferences, 15" MacBooks are routine. Someone always has a Surface, and 10-50% are thinkpads or XPS with Linux.
    - astura 9y ago

thomastjeffery 9y ago

Apple's business model seems mostly based on that premise. Ideally, drivers are open-source, but Apple has found that centralization is still a noticeably workable compromise. Unfortunately for Apple, that quickly falls apart when they don't support modern features like Vulkan...

awalton 9y ago

Meanwhile they've some of the shittiest GL and graphics drivers on the planet. So much for vertical software integration. But hey, they've got proprietary replacements for GL and Vulkan, no need to be standards compliant or portable!

ghusbands 9y ago

In the article, it does say that Microsoft might shim the driver (add some code to Windows to make the driver's idiocy lower impact), so they have the one-company advantage, too.