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That will work for some of it. Quite a bit of industrial stuff is one offs, were you have the only one(s) in existence. I've made devices for industrial use we

That will work for some of it. Quite a bit of industrial stuff is one offs, were you have the only one(s) in existence. I've made devices for industrial use were the customer only needed 1-5 of them.

petra 9y ago
For those types of devices, do you think a board built around something like a PSOC chip(fully programmable analog+digital+mcu chip) or something improved along those lines, give enough programmability to cover plenty of such devices and help implementers ?
- nine_k 9y ago
  The hardware might be fine. With the software, it's already harder, it needs adaptation, if not writing from scratch. With sensors, it's fitting them to the unique mechanical circumstances of the one-off machine. And both if these you can't scale, can't reuse.
- extrapickles 9y ago
  For that specific customer, off the self stuff would not last more than a day or two as it had to survive -20C to 80C temperature swings in the space of a few minutes, along with the enclosure being rated to IP69K. The single board computer we used was off the shelf, then modified to survive the conditions inside the enclosure (eg: adding conformal coatings). Making electronics survive those conditions is expensive and most people don't need that level of protection.
- dahtguy 9y ago
  A PSoC-focused design trades flexibility for price, power, and performance. Hard sell.
dreamcompiler 9y ago
Exactly. If you've never debugged code with a logic analyzer, you can't understand what a hellacious bespoke PITA embedded realtime software can be. Personally, I like this stuff, but it's not everybody's cup of tea, and while your experience is transferable to the next problem, your work product often is not.
- joezydeco 9y ago
  It's also not usually running on state-of-the-art chips and architectures. Think about hooking into a 8051 microcontroller (circa 1989) with on-chip RAM and EEPROM and no spare I/O.

That will work for some of it. Quite a bit of industrial stuff is one offs, were you have the only one(s) in existence. I've made devices for industrial use were the customer only needed 1-5 of them.

petra 9y ago

For those types of devices, do you think a board built around something like a PSOC chip(fully programmable analog+digital+mcu chip) or something improved along those lines, give enough programmability to cover plenty of such devices and help implementers ?

nine_k 9y ago
The hardware might be fine. With the software, it's already harder, it needs adaptation, if not writing from scratch. With sensors, it's fitting them to the unique mechanical circumstances of the one-off machine. And both if these you can't scale, can't reuse.
extrapickles 9y ago
For that specific customer, off the self stuff would not last more than a day or two as it had to survive -20C to 80C temperature swings in the space of a few minutes, along with the enclosure being rated to IP69K. The single board computer we used was off the shelf, then modified to survive the conditions inside the enclosure (eg: adding conformal coatings). Making electronics survive those conditions is expensive and most people don't need that level of protection.
dahtguy 9y ago
A PSoC-focused design trades flexibility for price, power, and performance. Hard sell.

dreamcompiler 9y ago

Exactly. If you've never debugged code with a logic analyzer, you can't understand what a hellacious bespoke PITA embedded realtime software can be. Personally, I like this stuff, but it's not everybody's cup of tea, and while your experience is transferable to the next problem, your work product often is not.

joezydeco 9y ago
It's also not usually running on state-of-the-art chips and architectures. Think about hooking into a 8051 microcontroller (circa 1989) with on-chip RAM and EEPROM and no spare I/O.