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"Ex-Christians _routinely_ complain that youtube censors their videos criticizing Christianity." Has that not happened, too? Just reversing roles for the sake o

"Ex-Christians _routinely_ complain that youtube censors their videos criticizing Christianity." Has that not happened, too? Just reversing roles for the sake of argument. Curiously wondering...

weberc2 9y ago
I would be surprised. Christians don't enjoy the same social protections as Muslims (for better or worse) at least in the US.
- scott_karana 9y ago
  Other than having their holidays enshrined federally, their words in official documents and anthems, and holding widespread majority not only in the general populace, but particularly among presidents and legislators? Could you imagine the backlash if a country singer invoked Allah instead of Jesus? And yet, the reverse happens frequently without anyone blinking.
  - rhapsodic 9y ago
    >Other than having their holidays enshrined federally, their words in official documents and anthems, and holding widespread majority not only in the general populace, but particularly among presidents and legislators? You have a point, but I don't think those were the "social" protections the GP was referring to. The left in the US has scorned and ridiculed and actively sought to inflict pain on Christians and Christianity for decades. (Google "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence" and "Memories Pizza" for examples.) The left would never engage in similar actions against Islam or Muslims. Edit - hey downvoters, if you find my logic flawed, how about a few words as to why?
    - scott_karana 9y ago
      I sympathize (and upvoted). Currently, "punching up" is seen as more acceptable than "punching down". Whether that's fair is probably a debate worth having, eventually. But there is that significant difference to consider. Worth noting, of course, that (minority?) Christians also regularly scorn: examples include athiests, evolutionists, women getting abortions, and birth control, and there's a closely related Venn diagram of correlated subjects like climate change, morality-based laws, tradition-based racism, and the like. This behaviour is not exclusive to the left.
      - weberc2 9y ago
        It's definitely not exclusive to the left, but it seems to me that the left is "punching down" at Christians, and I think that's one point of hypocrisy among the left (every group has their hypocrisy). While Christians are perhaps more numerous, the liberals doing the punching include university faculty, media elites, celebrities, business executives. It seems like if liberals could separate themselves from the situation, they might see a group of wealthy elites "oppressing" a religious minority.
        scott_karana 9y ago
        You keep equating "left" to non-Christian, which is what GGGP was talking about. ;-) Trump/Hilary voting was split 50/50, but that doesn't explain the 76% of Americans. This misunderstanding probably goes a long way to explaining this perceived "oppression".
        weberc2 9y ago
        I don't know what you mean that I "keep equating...". This is my first post mentioning the left in this thread. I also don't know how that fits into GGGGP's comment, which you posted in response to me before anyone had invoked "the left" in this thread. I definitely don't understand your remark about the Trump Hilary split, which would never tell us anything about liberals, Christians, or Muslims, and I certainly never made claim that it did. At any rate, I'm not referring to the left as non-Christian anyway. By "left", I mean "left", plus or minus liberal Christians. I put "oppression" in quotes to indicate that the left would use the word to describe their relationship with Christians (because their threshold for invoking the word is quite a lot lower than most) if they were able to view the conflict with an outsider's perspective. I used "minority" to refer to Christians because they have quite a lot less power than the liberals who are punching down at them, not because they are few in number, in case that caused some confusion.
        scott_karana 9y ago
        Whoops: I didn't realize that I replied to ~rhapsodic earlier instead of you. My apologies...
  - weberc2 9y ago
    I didn't say Christians are without social benefits, only that they don't have the same social protections that Muslims enjoy, specifically criticism of Christians or Christianity would never be considered hate speech.
Iv 9y ago
It is harder to present criticism of christianism as racists. Youtube is not anti-exmuslims, simply when you have a guy named "The Masked Arab" who has a dozen of videos explaining why islam is a violent and backward religion, that a hundred people have tagged "arab haters" it is hard for youtube to see through it.

"Ex-Christians _routinely_ complain that youtube censors their videos criticizing Christianity." Has that not happened, too? Just reversing roles for the sake of argument. Curiously wondering...

weberc2 9y ago

I would be surprised. Christians don't enjoy the same social protections as Muslims (for better or worse) at least in the US.

scott_karana 9y ago
Other than having their holidays enshrined federally, their words in official documents and anthems, and holding widespread majority not only in the general populace, but particularly among presidents and legislators? Could you imagine the backlash if a country singer invoked Allah instead of Jesus? And yet, the reverse happens frequently without anyone blinking.
- rhapsodic 9y ago
  >Other than having their holidays enshrined federally, their words in official documents and anthems, and holding widespread majority not only in the general populace, but particularly among presidents and legislators? You have a point, but I don't think those were the "social" protections the GP was referring to. The left in the US has scorned and ridiculed and actively sought to inflict pain on Christians and Christianity for decades. (Google "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence" and "Memories Pizza" for examples.) The left would never engage in similar actions against Islam or Muslims. Edit - hey downvoters, if you find my logic flawed, how about a few words as to why?
  - scott_karana 9y ago
    I sympathize (and upvoted). Currently, "punching up" is seen as more acceptable than "punching down". Whether that's fair is probably a debate worth having, eventually. But there is that significant difference to consider. Worth noting, of course, that (minority?) Christians also regularly scorn: examples include athiests, evolutionists, women getting abortions, and birth control, and there's a closely related Venn diagram of correlated subjects like climate change, morality-based laws, tradition-based racism, and the like. This behaviour is not exclusive to the left.
    - weberc2 9y ago
      It's definitely not exclusive to the left, but it seems to me that the left is "punching down" at Christians, and I think that's one point of hypocrisy among the left (every group has their hypocrisy). While Christians are perhaps more numerous, the liberals doing the punching include university faculty, media elites, celebrities, business executives. It seems like if liberals could separate themselves from the situation, they might see a group of wealthy elites "oppressing" a religious minority.
      - scott_karana 9y ago
        You keep equating "left" to non-Christian, which is what GGGP was talking about. ;-) Trump/Hilary voting was split 50/50, but that doesn't explain the 76% of Americans. This misunderstanding probably goes a long way to explaining this perceived "oppression".
        weberc2 9y ago
        I don't know what you mean that I "keep equating...". This is my first post mentioning the left in this thread. I also don't know how that fits into GGGGP's comment, which you posted in response to me before anyone had invoked "the left" in this thread. I definitely don't understand your remark about the Trump Hilary split, which would never tell us anything about liberals, Christians, or Muslims, and I certainly never made claim that it did. At any rate, I'm not referring to the left as non-Christian anyway. By "left", I mean "left", plus or minus liberal Christians. I put "oppression" in quotes to indicate that the left would use the word to describe their relationship with Christians (because their threshold for invoking the word is quite a lot lower than most) if they were able to view the conflict with an outsider's perspective. I used "minority" to refer to Christians because they have quite a lot less power than the liberals who are punching down at them, not because they are few in number, in case that caused some confusion.
        scott_karana 9y ago
        Whoops: I didn't realize that I replied to ~rhapsodic earlier instead of you. My apologies...
- weberc2 9y ago
  I didn't say Christians are without social benefits, only that they don't have the same social protections that Muslims enjoy, specifically criticism of Christians or Christianity would never be considered hate speech.

Iv 9y ago

It is harder to present criticism of christianism as racists. Youtube is not anti-exmuslims, simply when you have a guy named "The Masked Arab" who has a dozen of videos explaining why islam is a violent and backward religion, that a hundred people have tagged "arab haters" it is hard for youtube to see through it.