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This isn't political, this is about a country dragging the rest of the world along into death, and then commiserating itself not about how bad its own actions a

This isn't political, this is about a country dragging the rest of the world along into death, and then commiserating itself not about how bad its own actions are, but about how bad the death feels.

yladiz 9y ago
Would you say the same thing to a victim of Hurricane Harvey?
- Mithaldu 9y ago
  Pretty sure the first thought of all of those who are of fully able mind in that group is "fuck the white house". That said, no, because these people are in extraordinary circumstances and don't have time to calmly sit down and think things through rationally. (Comparing storm flood victims with people who're a bit warm is a bit silly.)
  - yladiz 9y ago
    No, it's not about the comparison of people who are in hot temps to hurricane victims. It's about the root cause, which is global warming, that causes both, and because of that they don't deserve sympathy because of the position of politicians.
    - Mithaldu 9y ago
      It's a comparison you made and it's a silly argument to try because it moves the conversation away from the context it was in. The person who's a bit warm does not deserve nor need condolences, instead they and the person tempted to send the condolences should see it as a wake-up call. The storm flood victim doesn't need a wake-up call. They had theirs. And they probably also don't care about "thoughts and prayers" when their very life is at stake. They're not in a soccer match where the audience cheering actually does anything for them.
      - sillysaurus3 9y ago
        This subthread isn't too civil. There's no reason to be aggressive. It's good that you care about climate change, but forcing your beliefs on others isn't a popular move. A better way to do it would be to point to this as an example of a possible climate change, otherwise both sides become even more entrenched in their beliefs.
        Mithaldu 9y ago
        If i thought anyone here needed convincing that climate change is already killing the planet, then your comment would be worthwhile. As it is i think there are only people here who close their eyes to it because they cannot handle staring that horror in the eyes every single day. Can you substantiate why you think there are people here who need convincing, as opposed to reminding? (Also, quite frankly, you seem to write as if you yourself think 'it is only a theory' instead of it being cruelly real and deadly fact. Is this the case?)
        sillysaurus3 9y ago
        I was referring to the idea that you should actively shame people for not holding your same views. You're overplaying your hand in this, since it's not at all clear to average people that there even is a threat. Say I did believe that climate change was a hoax. What then? Should I be excluded from the community? Should it be used to question my decisions, destroy my career, hound me for it? Should it follow me around? I don't believe that, but your logic taken to its conclusion doesn't paint a pretty picture for the world. I wouldn't want people to behave like that to each other. Being able to disagree is a fundamental right, necessary for discourse and debate to work at all. If you vilify a position you lose the benefits of this.
        Mithaldu 9y ago
        Two points: I asked why you think there are people here who don't believe in climate changing killing the planet right now, but you went down an orthogonal path; that second paragraph also veers way off track from the original context. You're a nice person and try to be nice, but i will not acceed to giving the HN userbase that kind of coddling, because the people posting here are not average. Not about an issue of life death for the entire human race. You care about someone feeling sad. I care about whether children 2-3 generations down the line from now get to die a natural death. Do you think the former is more important than the latter?
Dylan16807 9y ago
Making the world two degrees hotter has a lot of bad environmental and storm effects, but it's not the root cause of Texas being hot. Texas is hot because of where it is.
angersock 9y ago
Oh get over yourself! Tell me about the coal and hydrocarbon emissions in other developing nations. We're far from the only ones.

This isn't political, this is about a country dragging the rest of the world along into death, and then commiserating itself not about how bad its own actions are, but about how bad the death feels.

yladiz 9y ago

Would you say the same thing to a victim of Hurricane Harvey?

Mithaldu 9y ago
Pretty sure the first thought of all of those who are of fully able mind in that group is "fuck the white house". That said, no, because these people are in extraordinary circumstances and don't have time to calmly sit down and think things through rationally. (Comparing storm flood victims with people who're a bit warm is a bit silly.)
- yladiz 9y ago
  No, it's not about the comparison of people who are in hot temps to hurricane victims. It's about the root cause, which is global warming, that causes both, and because of that they don't deserve sympathy because of the position of politicians.
  - Mithaldu 9y ago
    It's a comparison you made and it's a silly argument to try because it moves the conversation away from the context it was in. The person who's a bit warm does not deserve nor need condolences, instead they and the person tempted to send the condolences should see it as a wake-up call. The storm flood victim doesn't need a wake-up call. They had theirs. And they probably also don't care about "thoughts and prayers" when their very life is at stake. They're not in a soccer match where the audience cheering actually does anything for them.
    - sillysaurus3 9y ago
      This subthread isn't too civil. There's no reason to be aggressive. It's good that you care about climate change, but forcing your beliefs on others isn't a popular move. A better way to do it would be to point to this as an example of a possible climate change, otherwise both sides become even more entrenched in their beliefs.
      - Mithaldu 9y ago
        If i thought anyone here needed convincing that climate change is already killing the planet, then your comment would be worthwhile. As it is i think there are only people here who close their eyes to it because they cannot handle staring that horror in the eyes every single day. Can you substantiate why you think there are people here who need convincing, as opposed to reminding? (Also, quite frankly, you seem to write as if you yourself think 'it is only a theory' instead of it being cruelly real and deadly fact. Is this the case?)
        sillysaurus3 9y ago
        I was referring to the idea that you should actively shame people for not holding your same views. You're overplaying your hand in this, since it's not at all clear to average people that there even is a threat. Say I did believe that climate change was a hoax. What then? Should I be excluded from the community? Should it be used to question my decisions, destroy my career, hound me for it? Should it follow me around? I don't believe that, but your logic taken to its conclusion doesn't paint a pretty picture for the world. I wouldn't want people to behave like that to each other. Being able to disagree is a fundamental right, necessary for discourse and debate to work at all. If you vilify a position you lose the benefits of this.
        Mithaldu 9y ago
        Two points: I asked why you think there are people here who don't believe in climate changing killing the planet right now, but you went down an orthogonal path; that second paragraph also veers way off track from the original context. You're a nice person and try to be nice, but i will not acceed to giving the HN userbase that kind of coddling, because the people posting here are not average. Not about an issue of life death for the entire human race. You care about someone feeling sad. I care about whether children 2-3 generations down the line from now get to die a natural death. Do you think the former is more important than the latter?

Dylan16807 9y ago

Making the world two degrees hotter has a lot of bad environmental and storm effects, but it's not the root cause of Texas being hot. Texas is hot because of where it is.

angersock 9y ago

Oh get over yourself! Tell me about the coal and hydrocarbon emissions in other developing nations. We're far from the only ones.