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Condolences? As citizens of the largest industrial nation whose president not only doesn't believe in climate change, but is even working actively to bury it:

Condolences? As citizens of the largest industrial nation whose president not only doesn't believe in climate change, but is even working actively to bury it: You don't get condolences, you get to apologize to the rest of the world and realize that you too need to work on fixing this.

yladiz 9y ago
Dude, there's no reason to make his words political. Texas gets temps like this regularly, and thankfully they built their houses with AC, but some probably have dealt with not having AC for some part of the summer (in places like Texas or Florida it's required to have functioning AC by law, depending on where you're at, just like water and electricity). He didn't say anything about climate change, or anything about politics, so there's no reason to bring it into the discussion.
- Mithaldu 9y ago
  This isn't political, this is about a country dragging the rest of the world along into death, and then commiserating itself not about how bad its own actions are, but about how bad the death feels.
  - yladiz 9y ago
    Would you say the same thing to a victim of Hurricane Harvey?
    - Mithaldu 9y ago
      Pretty sure the first thought of all of those who are of fully able mind in that group is "fuck the white house". That said, no, because these people are in extraordinary circumstances and don't have time to calmly sit down and think things through rationally. (Comparing storm flood victims with people who're a bit warm is a bit silly.)
      - yladiz 9y ago
        No, it's not about the comparison of people who are in hot temps to hurricane victims. It's about the root cause, which is global warming, that causes both, and because of that they don't deserve sympathy because of the position of politicians.
        Mithaldu 9y ago
        It's a comparison you made and it's a silly argument to try because it moves the conversation away from the context it was in. The person who's a bit warm does not deserve nor need condolences, instead they and the person tempted to send the condolences should see it as a wake-up call. The storm flood victim doesn't need a wake-up call. They had theirs. And they probably also don't care about "thoughts and prayers" when their very life is at stake. They're not in a soccer match where the audience cheering actually does anything for them.
        sillysaurus3 9y ago
        This subthread isn't too civil. There's no reason to be aggressive. It's good that you care about climate change, but forcing your beliefs on others isn't a popular move. A better way to do it would be to point to this as an example of a possible climate change, otherwise both sides become even more entrenched in their beliefs.
        Mithaldu 9y ago
        If i thought anyone here needed convincing that climate change is already killing the planet, then your comment would be worthwhile. As it is i think there are only people here who close their eyes to it because they cannot handle staring that horror in the eyes every single day. Can you substantiate why you think there are people here who need convincing, as opposed to reminding? (Also, quite frankly, you seem to write as if you yourself think 'it is only a theory' instead of it being cruelly real and deadly fact. Is this the case?)
        9y ago
  - Dylan16807 9y ago
    Making the world two degrees hotter has a lot of bad environmental and storm effects, but it's not the root cause of Texas being hot. Texas is hot because of where it is.
  - angersock 9y ago
    Oh get over yourself! Tell me about the coal and hydrocarbon emissions in other developing nations. We're far from the only ones.
- eesmith 9y ago
  "in places like Texas or Florida it's required to have functioning AC by law, depending on where you're at" I couldn't find evidence that this is true. Can you point me to that requirement? This must be a recent change since I grew up in Florida in a house w/o air conditioning. (Easier in a Florida cracker style home than one designed around A/C.) My Dad would have been pissed if there were the law 20 years ago. Of course, even if we had A/C he wouldn't use it - the house was only slightly more insulated than a tent. There is a Florida law which says landlords must provide heat during winter. From http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/Chapter83/All http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/Chapter83/All : > Unless otherwise agreed in writing, in addition to the requirements of subsection (1), the landlord of a dwelling unit other than a single-family home or duplex shall, at all times during the tenancy, make reasonable provisions for ... Functioning facilities for heat during winter, running water, and hot water. In any case, this only applies towards rental properties.
  - yladiz 9y ago
    Sorry, yes, it's only for rentals (the state govt isn't paying for the upkeep of a private home's AC). I just looked up about the laws in Florida (it's been a few years) and realized it's not about providing AC directly, but rather if the AC was working when you moved in, the landlord has to pay for its upkeep if it breaks, and I incorrectly conflated the two. In practice it's effectively the same, but the details aren't. I believe the same in Texas.
    - eesmith 9y ago
      Ahh, yes, I knew about that one. I believe that's part of contract law. If I rented a place with A/C, washer, dryer, and washing machine, then the landlord is supposed to maintain those appliances. I wonder if the FL law gives more leeway to the renter to have the air-conditioner fixed and to take the money off the rent in that case. Wasn't easy to find that in the law. "Effectively the same" is true. Though I did once rent a garage apartment in north Florida for the summer which had no A/C. The water to the place went under the driveway. I measured the cold water coming out of the kitchen faucet at 95F. I spent a lot of afternoons at work that summer.
QuercusMax 9y ago
We're just as angry as you are. More people in the US voted against Trump than for him. Just because the GP is from Texas doesn't mean they don't believe in climate change.
sctb 9y ago
This comment and subsequent thread violate the guidelines. This is what happens when you start flamewars, you get a flamewar and the rest of us who aren't in battle mode suffer from the information vacuum. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

yladiz 9y ago

Dude, there's no reason to make his words political. Texas gets temps like this regularly, and thankfully they built their houses with AC, but some probably have dealt with not having AC for some part of the summer (in places like Texas or Florida it's required to have functioning AC by law, depending on where you're at, just like water and electricity). He didn't say anything about climate change, or anything about politics, so there's no reason to bring it into the discussion.

Mithaldu 9y ago
This isn't political, this is about a country dragging the rest of the world along into death, and then commiserating itself not about how bad its own actions are, but about how bad the death feels.
- yladiz 9y ago
  Would you say the same thing to a victim of Hurricane Harvey?
  - Mithaldu 9y ago
    Pretty sure the first thought of all of those who are of fully able mind in that group is "fuck the white house". That said, no, because these people are in extraordinary circumstances and don't have time to calmly sit down and think things through rationally. (Comparing storm flood victims with people who're a bit warm is a bit silly.)
    - yladiz 9y ago
      No, it's not about the comparison of people who are in hot temps to hurricane victims. It's about the root cause, which is global warming, that causes both, and because of that they don't deserve sympathy because of the position of politicians.
      - Mithaldu 9y ago
        It's a comparison you made and it's a silly argument to try because it moves the conversation away from the context it was in. The person who's a bit warm does not deserve nor need condolences, instead they and the person tempted to send the condolences should see it as a wake-up call. The storm flood victim doesn't need a wake-up call. They had theirs. And they probably also don't care about "thoughts and prayers" when their very life is at stake. They're not in a soccer match where the audience cheering actually does anything for them.
        sillysaurus3 9y ago
        This subthread isn't too civil. There's no reason to be aggressive. It's good that you care about climate change, but forcing your beliefs on others isn't a popular move. A better way to do it would be to point to this as an example of a possible climate change, otherwise both sides become even more entrenched in their beliefs.
        Mithaldu 9y ago
        If i thought anyone here needed convincing that climate change is already killing the planet, then your comment would be worthwhile. As it is i think there are only people here who close their eyes to it because they cannot handle staring that horror in the eyes every single day. Can you substantiate why you think there are people here who need convincing, as opposed to reminding? (Also, quite frankly, you seem to write as if you yourself think 'it is only a theory' instead of it being cruelly real and deadly fact. Is this the case?)
        9y ago
- Dylan16807 9y ago
  Making the world two degrees hotter has a lot of bad environmental and storm effects, but it's not the root cause of Texas being hot. Texas is hot because of where it is.
- angersock 9y ago
  Oh get over yourself! Tell me about the coal and hydrocarbon emissions in other developing nations. We're far from the only ones.
eesmith 9y ago
"in places like Texas or Florida it's required to have functioning AC by law, depending on where you're at" I couldn't find evidence that this is true. Can you point me to that requirement? This must be a recent change since I grew up in Florida in a house w/o air conditioning. (Easier in a Florida cracker style home than one designed around A/C.) My Dad would have been pissed if there were the law 20 years ago. Of course, even if we had A/C he wouldn't use it - the house was only slightly more insulated than a tent. There is a Florida law which says landlords must provide heat during winter. From http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/Chapter83/All http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/Chapter83/All : > Unless otherwise agreed in writing, in addition to the requirements of subsection (1), the landlord of a dwelling unit other than a single-family home or duplex shall, at all times during the tenancy, make reasonable provisions for ... Functioning facilities for heat during winter, running water, and hot water. In any case, this only applies towards rental properties.
- yladiz 9y ago
  Sorry, yes, it's only for rentals (the state govt isn't paying for the upkeep of a private home's AC). I just looked up about the laws in Florida (it's been a few years) and realized it's not about providing AC directly, but rather if the AC was working when you moved in, the landlord has to pay for its upkeep if it breaks, and I incorrectly conflated the two. In practice it's effectively the same, but the details aren't. I believe the same in Texas.
  - eesmith 9y ago
    Ahh, yes, I knew about that one. I believe that's part of contract law. If I rented a place with A/C, washer, dryer, and washing machine, then the landlord is supposed to maintain those appliances. I wonder if the FL law gives more leeway to the renter to have the air-conditioner fixed and to take the money off the rent in that case. Wasn't easy to find that in the law. "Effectively the same" is true. Though I did once rent a garage apartment in north Florida for the summer which had no A/C. The water to the place went under the driveway. I measured the cold water coming out of the kitchen faucet at 95F. I spent a lot of afternoons at work that summer.

QuercusMax 9y ago

We're just as angry as you are. More people in the US voted against Trump than for him. Just because the GP is from Texas doesn't mean they don't believe in climate change.

sctb 9y ago

This comment and subsequent thread violate the guidelines. This is what happens when you start flamewars, you get a flamewar and the rest of us who aren't in battle mode suffer from the information vacuum. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html