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Can hospital security neutralise the rogue cop in a case like that?

by temac 9y ago

randlet 9y ago
Doesn't matter much if they have the right or not; they probably want to go home to their kids later that night so they'll stay out of it if they value their safety.
adventured 9y ago
Legally there may be grounds to attempt it for safety reasons for patients (would have to look at state law most likely); I'm skeptical though, the police seem to always have overruling authority in such instances (for example they can dictate the actions of firemen, arrest them at the scene of a fire if they don't obey commands, etc). In practical terms, either way, trying it could likely be a death sentence (multiple cops were on the scene).
- mythrwy 9y ago
  The fact there were multiple officers on the scene and not one of them stopped the arrest nor de-escalated the situation, nor in fact apparently knew the law betwixt all of them is even more disturbing. At that point it isn't one bad apple. It's a gang. We need some head crackers as police, unfortunate, yes, but this needs to be balanced by a different kind of personality. Going in guns blazing to every situation isn't the best way to handle things and is the root cause of many of these types of situations. Then the bureaucrat bosses just try to brush it all aside and nothing really gets resolved. We need less of those also. I think robots are the future of policing. But maybe not fully autonomous robots. More of a remote control type thing. Have people who are cultural sensitive, people who are empathetic, people who understand mental illness, people who understand the nuances of the law all in communication, watching and listening to the situation. See if you can deescalate, resolve, calm things down. If that doesn't work or there is immediate danger to bystanders give control over to the headcracker team. This would reduce costs anyway because right now you are paying grade school bullies to cruise around and interact infrequently with the public. These remote teams could perform a lot more interactions, one level of person could just monitor, perhaps control a number of bots, when the interaction escalates bring in the appropriate team for the situation. Make policing a work at home job:) Maybe have a Slack channel.
- codewritinfool 9y ago
  There was an incident here in St. Louis years ago. A fire truck blocked one lane of a major highway to prevent anyone from rear-ending the accident scene and the first responders. A police officer ordered the fire truck driver to move the truck. A fire officer then told the fire truck driver that he was to leave the truck right where it was because it was a safety issue. The fire officer and the police officer exchanged words and the fire officer was arrested and taken away from the scene of an active rescue. So yeah, police arrested the fireman, but later a court case ruled against the police officer and awarded the fire officer $18000.
ajdlinux 9y ago
No idea about the situation in the US, where there are constitutional rules about this stuff, but here in my jurisdiction in Australia, they fairly recently passed laws making it illegal to resist arrest even if it turns out the arrest was unlawful. The idea being that the most appropriate place for determining whether an arrest was lawful is in the courts afterwards, as opposed to risking escalation of force at the scene of the arrest, and thus it'll improve safety, or something. I'm not quite sure I buy it, and I suspect our local bar associations may have disagreed too. Though situations of unlawful arrest are fairly rare all things considered, I guess.

Can hospital security neutralise the rogue cop in a case like that?

by temac 9y ago

Can hospital security neutralise the rogue cop in a case like that?

Doesn't matter much if they have the right or not; they probably want to go home to their kids later that night so they'll stay out of it if they value their safety.

adventured 9y ago

Legally there may be grounds to attempt it for safety reasons for patients (would have to look at state law most likely); I'm skeptical though, the police seem to always have overruling authority in such instances (for example they can dictate the actions of firemen, arrest them at the scene of a fire if they don't obey commands, etc). In practical terms, either way, trying it could likely be a death sentence (multiple cops were on the scene).

mythrwy 9y ago
The fact there were multiple officers on the scene and not one of them stopped the arrest nor de-escalated the situation, nor in fact apparently knew the law betwixt all of them is even more disturbing. At that point it isn't one bad apple. It's a gang. We need some head crackers as police, unfortunate, yes, but this needs to be balanced by a different kind of personality. Going in guns blazing to every situation isn't the best way to handle things and is the root cause of many of these types of situations. Then the bureaucrat bosses just try to brush it all aside and nothing really gets resolved. We need less of those also. I think robots are the future of policing. But maybe not fully autonomous robots. More of a remote control type thing. Have people who are cultural sensitive, people who are empathetic, people who understand mental illness, people who understand the nuances of the law all in communication, watching and listening to the situation. See if you can deescalate, resolve, calm things down. If that doesn't work or there is immediate danger to bystanders give control over to the headcracker team. This would reduce costs anyway because right now you are paying grade school bullies to cruise around and interact infrequently with the public. These remote teams could perform a lot more interactions, one level of person could just monitor, perhaps control a number of bots, when the interaction escalates bring in the appropriate team for the situation. Make policing a work at home job:) Maybe have a Slack channel.
codewritinfool 9y ago
There was an incident here in St. Louis years ago. A fire truck blocked one lane of a major highway to prevent anyone from rear-ending the accident scene and the first responders. A police officer ordered the fire truck driver to move the truck. A fire officer then told the fire truck driver that he was to leave the truck right where it was because it was a safety issue. The fire officer and the police officer exchanged words and the fire officer was arrested and taken away from the scene of an active rescue. So yeah, police arrested the fireman, but later a court case ruled against the police officer and awarded the fire officer $18000.

ajdlinux 9y ago

No idea about the situation in the US, where there are constitutional rules about this stuff, but here in my jurisdiction in Australia, they fairly recently passed laws making it illegal to resist arrest even if it turns out the arrest was unlawful. The idea being that the most appropriate place for determining whether an arrest was lawful is in the courts afterwards, as opposed to risking escalation of force at the scene of the arrest, and thus it'll improve safety, or something. I'm not quite sure I buy it, and I suspect our local bar associations may have disagreed too. Though situations of unlawful arrest are fairly rare all things considered, I guess.