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Astronomers have found the stars responsible for an explosion recorded in 1437
- yawz 9y agoIt always saddens me to remember that with the arrival of electricity & technology we've truly lost the fascinating view of the cloudless night sky. I assume that in 15th century Korea it was much easier to notice changes in the night sky than it would be today. (edit: typo)
- toomanybeersies 9y agoThere are still several dark sky preserves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark-sky_preserve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark-sky_preserve) in the world, where the view will be just as good as 15th Century Korea. Having spend several nights around Tekapo, which is one of the largest in the world. I would definitely say that it's worth trying to spend a night in one. The view of the night sky is stunning. You can see the Milky Way with the naked eye, and the sheer number of stars is magnificent.
- King-Aaron 9y agoIn most of rural Australia you get an incredible view of the sky - particularly in the North of Western Australia and in the Northern Territory. It's an incredible view when you can see the milky way from horizon to horizon.
- pythonistic 9y agoYou don't have to go too far to find dark skies. My wife and I rented a cottage at Sheep Dung just outside Boonville, CA, a few years ago. Ukiah was on the far side of the hills to the east, another range blocked the coast to the west, and the next closest big city was Santa Rosa -- far enough away not to cause light pollution. I got lucky because the Labor Day wildfires were east of Clear Lake and blowing smoke east toward I-5. It was the first time in my life I got to actually see the Milky Way with my own eyes.
- simonebrunozzi 9y agoI am in Bolinas right now, it's close to midnight, and I am going to close my laptop in a few seconds, and go out to look at the night Sky - which I did yesterday, and it was quite magnificent.
- ars 9y agoSince you posted that 20 hours ago, I'm sure you're done by now. But don't forget it can take 20 minutes to an hour to get your eyes fully adapted to the dark. So don't go out for just a short time, plan to spend a while in the dark before fully enjoying the stars.
- DrScump 9y agoThe night sky from the Sierra Nevada (at altitude) -- even a "crowded" place like Tuolumne Meadows -- offers amazing night skies.
- danek 9y agoYeah lots of rural areas in the US have very dark skies. I saw lots of shooting stars one night driving acros Utah, it was pretty incredible.
- dotancohen 9y agoSeeing one an hour is average, seeing many _while driving_ sounds like it was a meteor shower. Did that happen to be around August 12, which is when the strongest shower of the year peaks?
- saiya-jin 9y agothere are countless places like that all over the world, like most of russia, amazonia most parts of all the deserts etc. now something close to western civilization, its mostly national parks of at least medium size (hundreds of km2) or more remote mountain ranges
- vog 9y ago> The view of the night sky is stunning. You can see the Milky Way with the naked eye, and the sheer number of stars is magnificent Note that you can see the Milky Way with naked eyes also outside of reservates. Maybe most people forget this when living in a city, but all you need for a stunning sky view is to go to the next grassland on the countryside around your city. (And you need non-cloudy weather, of course.) It might not be as perfect as in the preservates, but compared to what you see within a city, it is a huge difference. You see at least 10 times as many stars. And of course you see the Milky Way clearly. (But beware that a beginner might mistake large, thin clouds for the Milky Way. Also, note that beginners might be confused by the sheer amount of stars, being unable to identify even basic star signs. The trick here is to visit the grassland on sunset, then wait for the dusk, and watch as more and more stars appear on the sky. The first seen (i.e. brightest) stars are usually easy to identify, then you see the brighter star signs, and finally have enough orientation to recognize the rest of the sky as it appears.)
- dotancohen 9y agoI second the 'get to the observation point before sundown' advice. In some really dark places, there are so many stars that I even have a hard time picking out bright stars like Vega or easy constellations such as Cygnus, Orion, or the Big Dipper. Watching the stars come out makes this much easier, and as a bonus the planets really awe at dusk.
- katzgrau 9y agoYep, as long as you're remote enough you can get a truly fascinating view. Last summer I camped in Zion National Park and it was the first time I've seen the night sky with such clarity. I couldn't look away - I laid outside of the tent and just stared for hours. The fact that we're in the midst of a big explosion is quite striking.
- jriot 9y agoAlso to note, make sure you go when it is a New Moon i.e., no moon in the sky.
- fpoling 9y ago40 years ago my father worked in Mongolia. He never seen stars like there even in rural or very remote areas of Russia. The reason for that is elevation (over 2 km at place where he worked) and very dry air (it was on edge of Gobi desert).
- bamboozled 9y agoMaybe the OP just means generally? I used to live in Amsterdam and the light pollution was so bad [1] the night sky just looked like a dull grey, I remember how grateful I was to move away and get to view the night sky more frequently. Light pollution such as that found in Rotterdam is almost suffocating I find. Sure travelling is an option, for kids? Not really. [1] https://www.lightpollutionmap.info/#zoom=9&lat=6819816&lon=547713&layers=B0TFFFFFFF https://www.lightpollutionmap.info/#zoom=9&lat=6819816&lon=5...
- saalweachter 9y agoOne of the things I really liked about living in NYC was that I actually got pretty familiar with the planets (because you can't really see anything else).
- jandrese 9y agoYou don't even have to go that far. One of the nice things about hiking outdoors is you get far enough away from civilization to reduce or eliminate city glow. On the off chance you ever get tired of looking at all the stars and the milky way, you can also spot satellites flying overhead, especially just after sunset.
- prawn 9y agoNot just lost the view through light pollution but found loads of other bright things to stare at once the sun is down. I agree it's quite sad.
- guelo 9y agoHumans have been staring at fire at night for our entire evolution.
- njarboe 9y agoTrue, but the spectrum and intensity a fire is much lower than today's incandescent light bulbs, fluorescences, LEDs, and screens.
- prawn 9y agoAnd I was speaking more from the perspective of screen addiction, lured to watch TV and trawl social media. Not that staring into a fire is much more productive.
- njarboe 9y agoThe western US has some large areas with almost no lights. Northern Nevada and Eastern Oregon are almost empty. North of Winnemucca, when starting to head west on highway 140, there is a sign, "Next gas 179 miles".
- notalawyer 9y agoSouth Dakota too! Camped at the Badlands a few weeks ago and other than a little light pollution from nearby Wall, you could see everything. It was spectacular.
- hoorayimhelping 9y ago>we've truly lost the fascinating view of the cloudless night sky We haven't truly lost anything, unless you're unwilling to travel for an hour or two away from light pollution. The sky is still there and you can still see it.
- watersb 9y agoTen days ago, weather gave us an excellent clear night, and the Milky Way was visible from my front door, in the middle of the neighborhood, even though we have old street lights and live in town. I try to practice spotting the Milky Way in the midst of light pollution. Nothing like a real dark sky, but use an app on your phone to show you where to look, and with practice you can appreciate the skies from where you are. (Every time I show someone the International Space Station, they think it is an airplane. It gets very bright, and apparent speed changes as it climbs towards zenith and back down again.)
- mattbillenstein 9y ago"One the one hand" - do these publications proofread their stuff?
- InclinedPlane 9y agoDid you get a refund?
- mattbillenstein 9y agoI did not, but I did swallow the ads they sent me so maybe I should.
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- quickthrower2 9y agoExcept for the subjectively well written articles of course
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- smcl 9y agoThis is a perfectly acceptable phrase where I'm from
- mattbillenstein 9y agoThey obviously meant to write "On the one hand" Those if you downvoting me -- grammer is sexy.
- yeukhon 9y agoI got to say I am always astonished at astronomical discoveries. Finding a wrecked ship in ocean is really really difficult, but correlate and finding what is out there in the open space, hundreds or even more light years away is like finding a dust particle in the open sea. Let's pause for a moment and appreicate these discoveries....
- senatorobama 9y agoAnd yet the average investment banker or lawyer gets 10x the salary. Priorities...
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- hasenj 9y agoAstonishment factor is not worth much in terms of money.
- oh_sigh 9y agoIt's called the market, not priorities. Get over it.
- eighthnate 9y agoMarkets are artificial man-made creations. I love how people write off something by calling it the "market" as if it is some force of nature.
- oh_sigh 9y agoWhere did I imply that?
- Yetanfou 9y agoNo, it is called "the money game" where the dealer holds all the cards. If it truly were a market those bankers would not stand a chance as they would easily be circumvented.
- DrScump 9y agoIt's grating to see a major publication quote a date as "1437 AD". It's either "1437 CE" or "AD 1437".
- eesmith 9y agoIt may be a house style, and/or it may not be as important as you think. For example, the Wikipedia house style, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Date... , "says: AD may appear before or after a year (AD 106, 106 AD); the other abbreviations appear only after (106 CE, 3700 BCE, 3700 BC)." The Atlantic is at least consistent. "Pre-Islamic Iranian history is believed to range from about 4000 BC to 651 AD." - https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/iran-before-islam-challenging-stereotypes-through-art/255503/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/ir... "But earlier sand blows found underground have been dated—thanks in part to the native pottery shards and charcoal that sandwich them—to 1450 AD, 900 AD and 2350 BC." - https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/06/the-great-middle-american-earthquake/486623/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/06/the-grea... "The dawn of the "Neolithic revolution" around 8,000 BC marks man's transition from hunter-gatherer to food producer. Life" - https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/01/the-iron-in-our-blood-that-keeps-and-kills-us/266936/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/01/the-iron-... "...which killed about 50 million people in Europe and the Byzantine Empire between 600 and 800 A.D..." - https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/09/disease-plague-of-athens-ebola/403561/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/09/disease-p... The one exception I found (I only looked at the first few matches) is due to a book titled "EUROPE BETWEEN THE OCEANS: 9000 BC to AD 1000 " - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/12/books-of-the-year/307162/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/12/books-o...
- pbhjpbhj 9y agoI was way more concerned with a modern photo being labelled as if it were taken in 1437 AD. I'm left wondering if that's the nova now, supposedly created in 1437, is it an artistic rendering of how it is supposed to have looked (in negative, b&w, through a telescope), or what?
- pmontra 9y agoMy first reaction was "it shone for 14 days and only Korean astronomers noticed it?" Then I googled for that nova and eventually found this interesting article https://academic.oup.com/astrogeo/article/47/1/1.29/258488/Where-have-all-the-novae-gone https://academic.oup.com/astrogeo/article/47/1/1.29/258488/W... It seems that Koreans were particularly keen at looking for novae. Cloudy skys, lack of fast global communications, the small number of people looking for faint new stars could explain why nobody else noticed it. For example, about the supernova of 1604 which was visible during the day: > "On the 30th [of September], the sudden breaking of the clouds afforded one of Kepler's friends an opportunity of having a very short view of it… On the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th of October, it was seen by several persons in different places. On account of cloudy weather at Prague, where Kepler resided, he did not see it until the 8th of that month." If that's happened to a supernova, I can imagine a nova could slip away unnoticed.
- Keysh 9y agoThis nova would also have been rather low in the sky. From Seoul's latitude, the maximum altitude of the nova would have been about 7.5 degrees above the southern horizon, and not visible at all from much of Europe.
- esseti 9y ago"Michael Shara and his researcher colleagues have spent the last nearly 30 years looking for the star responsible for this nova." that's what you call dedication :D
- Borek 9y agoI agree with yawz. So sad we don't what our ancestors saw when they look upon the sky. You need to go to some wildlands to see ale the majesty of the sky.
- pbhjpbhj 9y ago>"According to their calculations, the star was right in the center of the nova shell on the day the Koreans saw a mystery star, which means it caused the cosmic explosion." Hmm, or it was in a different plane and is many light years from the nova and some other star, which died, or is too faint to see, or isn't charted, was the cause of that particular nova. Isn't this classic "correlation is not causation" stuff? I was expecting to find how they showed the Koreans recorded the position so accurately it could be matched - to the day - with a projected location of a star for which we have 3 data points? The conclusion (in the abstract) sounds more like a postulate. It seems perfectly reasonable, but does it really follow logically from this single instance? Presumably, if the conclusion is sound, there are enough records of novae that one can now draw _many_ star trajectories through groups of novae each caused by a single star?
- pvg 9y agoIsn't this classic "correlation is not causation" stuff? It isn't. There are only a few dozen intragalactic novas per year. They've been looking for this one for a while and so far this is the only candidate anyone's found. one can now draw _many_ star trajectories through groups of novae each caused by a single star? That's a bit like saying you can draw many trajectories of cars that could have been in a crash while the smoldering wreckage is sitting by the side of the road.
- pbhjpbhj 9y agoWe're looking at 600 years back, so are you saying there's 18000 novas to examine (30 per year) across that period? Their conclusion in the OP was AIUI that _many_ stars produce novae serially. So we should surely be able to match series of novae (along a stars trajectory). Do you know are English language details of the historic Korean record available (are they in the paper)? http://www.cbat.eps.harvard.edu/nova_list.html http://www.cbat.eps.harvard.edu/nova_list.html shows very few recorded novae, is this a listing including the dozens per annum you mention?
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- aerovistae 9y agoThis headline is a little funny if you choose to read it as a legal verdict.
- arcticfox 9y agoGood eye 11
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- matt_j 9y agoLock 'em up!
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