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In your estimation, are you placing the very active and loud anti-corporate voices in this country outside of American politics, or merely denying that they are
by dublinben 9y ago
In your estimation, are you placing the very active and loud anti-corporate voices in this country outside of American politics, or merely denying that they are genuine?
- hn_throwaway_99 9y agoThose are not the only two options. I believe there are anti corporate forces in American politics, and they are genuine, but, by and large, they are far too small and disorganized to have a a significant effect on American politics. This is in large contrast to anti-corporate forces in much of Europe. Bernie has/is changing that, but even then I would argue the main power structures haven't changed.
- adventured 9y ago> Bernie has/is changing that, but even then I would argue the main power structures haven't changed. Bernie isn't / hasn't changed anything and won't. Sanders comes at the problem from a position that is considered Socialist (even though he's only a Socialist in name for the headlines), which will keep him forever in a cordoned off box. The last force in US politics with any influence in that regard, was Ralph Nader. He accomplished greater than ten times what Sanders has or will (and given his age at this point, the clock is ticking) when it comes to anti-corporate power checking. The Democrats lit Nader on fire and buried him politically for opposing their establishment one too many times.
- wavefunction 9y agoActually Bernie is a self-described Democratic Socialist to a certain extent, but he seems quite pragmatic rather than dogmatic.
- thejynxed 9y agoPragmatic enough that he bought a third home with all of that tasty donation money....
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- michaelt 9y agoPresumably CPLX means the anti-corporate voices aren't part of the 'establishment left'. Certainly, the people in control of the Democrats (such as superdelegates) did not choose an anti-corporate message in the last presidential election.
- wfo 9y agoBy active and loud anti-corporate voices do you mean the pro-corporate liberal party, the pro-corporate conservative party, the corporate-owned TV media or the pro-corporate mainstream newspapers? There are anti corporate voices like e.g. Chomsky, Sanders, and they all have a couple of characteristics in common: they are ignored by the powers that be. They are without platforms, and they are without power.
- marlokk 9y agoOr are serving as an Emmanuel Goldstein from 1984.
- hsod 9y agoIf you aren't loudly hearing anti-corporate voices in the modern American political conversation, you aren't listening.
- dkonofalski 9y agoThey're making noise but they're not being heard. No one with any ability to instigate change is listening to them. Just because they're talking doesn't mean anyone is taking them seriously. For the record, I definitely think they should be taken seriously.
- taheca 9y agoI strongly believe that the people listening to them right now, will be the future leaders of America. I hope to be one of them.
- hsod 9y agoBernie Sanders (who is currently a United States Senator) nearly won the Dem nomination in the last election.
- plussed_reader 9y agoSomething, something....horseshoes....hand grenades....
- bb611 9y ago> the very active and loud anti-corporate voices Could you clarify which voices you mean?
- fasquoika 9y agoOccupy Wall Street wasn't that long ago, most of those people are still around, and the message definitely creeps into the mainstream regularly. Just look at how many people voted for Sanders in the primaries last year
- wavefunction 9y agoBernie Sanders isn't anti-corporation, he just doesn't think they should have as much power and influence in our society as they currently do. It's a benign argument. I wonder why his opponents hyperventilate and exaggerate his positions...
- fasquoika 9y agoEr, I supported Bernie Sanders... Don't know why you would think I was an opponent