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I've always had a hunch (and mind you, I have no proof of this, I'm just talking here) that the software required for a level 5 self driving car is, on some mat

I've always had a hunch (and mind you, I have no proof of this, I'm just talking here) that the software required for a level 5 self driving car is, on some mathematical level, equivalent to the software needed to pass the Turing Test (w/out hacking the rules). In other words, if we have the capacity to do one of those things, we will have the capacity to do the other (in much the same way that seemingly unrelated problems in theoretical CS are actually restatements of the same problem). It's probably BS, but it's an interesting idea that I can't quite seem to shake.

cr0sh 9y ago
So are you saying Waymo's cars are capable of passing the Turing Test? Because they are arguably at level 5 capability. I highly doubt it, though. The thing is, while I believe they are already at this level, their technology is obviously not perfect. It never will be. Perfection in any space of technology is just not possible, because perfection is not possible in the physical world for anything. Perfection is a mathematical abstract at best. Instead, what we can hope to achieve is "better than human drivers", and Waymo's vehicles have certainly achieved that, imho. They have logged more miles with their self-driving vehicle technology than most people will drive any single car of their own, with an accident rate far below that of the average human driver. For the accidents they have had, most of them were when the car was in manual mode, and for the rest, they were low-speed incidents. None of them, that occurred while in self-driving mode (that I am aware of) caused any injury or death to any occupant of the vehicle. I'll leave this comment with this video, to show what was capable of autonomous vehicles in what now seems like the distant past (and I honestly know it wasn't, but time sure flies with this tech): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_piO849uRdI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_piO849uRdI Note that this was in 2010, using the tech in Stanford's Junior car (tech that would eventually lead to Google's and later Waymo's vehicles), and far from perfect; I can guarantee you that the systems used are much more advanced and better at control today.
- flunhat 9y ago
  Waymo's self driving tech is definitely not anywhere near level 5 capability (if that were true, they'd rule the world right now and we'd all be using their tech). From Waymo's Wikipedia article: >As of 28 August 2014, according to Computer World Google's self-driving cars were in fact unable to use about 99% of US roads.[57] As of the same date, the latest prototype had not been tested in heavy rain or snow due to safety concerns.[58] Because the cars rely primarily on pre-programmed route data, they do not obey temporary traffic lights and, in some situations, revert to a slower "extra cautious" mode in complex unmapped intersections. The vehicle has difficulty identifying when objects, such as trash and light debris, are harmless, causing the vehicle to veer unnecessarily. Additionally, the lidar technology cannot spot some potholes or discern when humans, such as a police officer, are signaling the car to stop.[59] Google projects plan on having these issues fixed by 2020.[60] It's really not better than human drivers, and I don't know where this myth comes from.
  - ilaksh 9y ago
    You know 2014 was three years ago right?
    - flunhat 9y ago
      The point is that they're not at level 5 capability yet, and won't be for another 3 years at least (by their deadline, 2020).

cr0sh 9y ago

So are you saying Waymo's cars are capable of passing the Turing Test? Because they are arguably at level 5 capability. I highly doubt it, though. The thing is, while I believe they are already at this level, their technology is obviously not perfect. It never will be. Perfection in any space of technology is just not possible, because perfection is not possible in the physical world for anything. Perfection is a mathematical abstract at best. Instead, what we can hope to achieve is "better than human drivers", and Waymo's vehicles have certainly achieved that, imho. They have logged more miles with their self-driving vehicle technology than most people will drive any single car of their own, with an accident rate far below that of the average human driver. For the accidents they have had, most of them were when the car was in manual mode, and for the rest, they were low-speed incidents. None of them, that occurred while in self-driving mode (that I am aware of) caused any injury or death to any occupant of the vehicle. I'll leave this comment with this video, to show what was capable of autonomous vehicles in what now seems like the distant past (and I honestly know it wasn't, but time sure flies with this tech): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_piO849uRdI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_piO849uRdI Note that this was in 2010, using the tech in Stanford's Junior car (tech that would eventually lead to Google's and later Waymo's vehicles), and far from perfect; I can guarantee you that the systems used are much more advanced and better at control today.

flunhat 9y ago
Waymo's self driving tech is definitely not anywhere near level 5 capability (if that were true, they'd rule the world right now and we'd all be using their tech). From Waymo's Wikipedia article: >As of 28 August 2014, according to Computer World Google's self-driving cars were in fact unable to use about 99% of US roads.[57] As of the same date, the latest prototype had not been tested in heavy rain or snow due to safety concerns.[58] Because the cars rely primarily on pre-programmed route data, they do not obey temporary traffic lights and, in some situations, revert to a slower "extra cautious" mode in complex unmapped intersections. The vehicle has difficulty identifying when objects, such as trash and light debris, are harmless, causing the vehicle to veer unnecessarily. Additionally, the lidar technology cannot spot some potholes or discern when humans, such as a police officer, are signaling the car to stop.[59] Google projects plan on having these issues fixed by 2020.[60] It's really not better than human drivers, and I don't know where this myth comes from.
- ilaksh 9y ago
  You know 2014 was three years ago right?
  - flunhat 9y ago
    The point is that they're not at level 5 capability yet, and won't be for another 3 years at least (by their deadline, 2020).