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IPv6 Performance Revisited

62 points by okket 9y ago

rdslw 9y ago
Few charts to look at: 20% ipv6 adoption worldwide: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html and per country data (Greece at 33%): https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption&tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...
- irishsultan 9y ago
  Belgium at 52%.
ramshanker 9y ago
We definitely need some kind of legislation, banning IPv4 after some point of time. Say 2020. Or Maybe 2025.
- theandrewbailey 9y ago
  We definitely need to keep legislation the hell away from network protocols.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    Not necessarily. We could require by law that all ISPs provide an "industry standard" network protocol defined by a group of major internet companies. This is how the EU defined the phone charger standard (and the industry board of phone manufacturers recently decided to switch the legal requirement from microUSB to USB-C)
- MattSteelblade 9y ago
  The better way of doing that is to set a mandate for the government itself, resulting in adoption elsewhere.
  - jlgaddis 9y ago
    Like the U.S. Government did [0] years ago? [0]: https://s3.amazonaws.com/sitesusa/wp-content/uploads/sites/1151/downloads/2012/09/Transition-to-IPv6.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/sitesusa/wp-content/uploads/sites/1...
snuxoll 9y ago
You hove no idea how much I would love to adopt IPv6 in my home network, but I can't find an affordable switch that handles IPv6 routing (or, if it does, can do it in hardware). This is really going to be a big bottleneck for adoption in home and small business markets, even if CableOne supported IPv6 I couldn't deploy it in my aunts shop without a rather large investment - meanwhile a dumb EdgeRouter X and managed TP-Link switch get the job done exceptionally well with IPv4.
- solotronics 9y ago
  edgerouter lite 3 does IPv6/IPv4 dual stack just fine and the switch shouldn't be looking at IP anyways it's just keeping a table of MAC addresses.
  - snuxoll 9y ago
    Switches have IP routing for a reason, why make a hop off the switch to the router and back just to route between separate VLAN's? I've got four ports on my switch at home in a LAG for my FreeNAS box, having to jump out to my external router then back to traverse the separate subnets make the setup worthless.
    - solotronics 9y ago
      yes most modern switches also can do routing but that's not the setup the above poster mentions. a dumb unmanaged switch doesn't even look at IP
- colanderman 9y ago
  Mikrotik's home products are pretty inexpensive and all support IPv6. I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for (L2 switch, L3 switch, or L2 switch + router). L2 switches obviously are IPv4/6-agnostic, and L3 switches are typically overkill for a home network, so I'm assuming L2 switch + router. Mikrotik has a gigabit switch with a decently performing (IPv6-capable) router in the same package for $60 [1]. I've been running my whole home network (gigabit LAN + WiFi, 50 Mbps IPv6 WAN via HE) on one of these [2] which go for $130. From your other comment it seems you are actually looking for an L3 switch setup. You can get wire-speed routing with Mikrotik's CCR series, but those start at $425 [3]. Not sure what your budget is. [1] https://mikrotik.com/product/RB750Gr3 https://mikrotik.com/product/RB750Gr3 [2] https://mikrotik.com/product/RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT https://mikrotik.com/product/RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT [3] https://mikrotik.com/product/CCR1009-7G-1C-PC https://mikrotik.com/product/CCR1009-7G-1C-PC
jandrese 9y ago
Some day my ISP may support IPv6 natively, but today is not that day. I think I'm approaching the 10 year anniversary of my HE tunnel broker account, and that's just sad.
- breser 9y ago
  You made me curious, I've had mine since Feb 2011. So 6 years for me.
- tomschlick 9y ago
  IPv6 is one of the things that Comcast actually does right. I can't believe how slow some of the other ISPs are at adopting it.
  - jandrese 9y ago
    Shoving IPv6 into the DOCSIS3 spec was really forward looking for the industry. Meanwhile Verizon's only visible contribution to getting IPv6 on FiOS has been to delete their IPv6 on FiOS FAQ. It's a crying shame that a service born in 2005 (10 years after RFC 1883 was finalized!) apparently has no transition plan for IPv6. Even if it wasn't enabled at launch, the network should have been designed for v6 support from the start.
    - takeda 9y ago
      Kind of reminds me of Python 3 migration, no one was willing to do it until running 2.7 became bigger and bigger hassle. And even then people rarely looked ahead and try to make their code forward compatible. At least it looks like Py3 was finally accepted.
    - javajosh 9y ago
      I believe that IPv6 is a threat to Verizon's business model. Without net neutrality, V can be a paid gatekeeper to centralized services; IPv6 is a tool useful for connecting decentralized resources, and so erode's one of V's revenue sources.
  - 9y ago

62 points by okket 9y ago

Few charts to look at: 20% ipv6 adoption worldwide: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html and per country data (Greece at 33%): https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption&tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...

irishsultan 9y ago
Belgium at 52%.

ramshanker 9y ago

We definitely need some kind of legislation, banning IPv4 after some point of time. Say 2020. Or Maybe 2025.

theandrewbailey 9y ago
We definitely need to keep legislation the hell away from network protocols.
- kuschku 9y ago
  Not necessarily. We could require by law that all ISPs provide an "industry standard" network protocol defined by a group of major internet companies. This is how the EU defined the phone charger standard (and the industry board of phone manufacturers recently decided to switch the legal requirement from microUSB to USB-C)
MattSteelblade 9y ago
The better way of doing that is to set a mandate for the government itself, resulting in adoption elsewhere.
- jlgaddis 9y ago
  Like the U.S. Government did [0] years ago? [0]: https://s3.amazonaws.com/sitesusa/wp-content/uploads/sites/1151/downloads/2012/09/Transition-to-IPv6.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/sitesusa/wp-content/uploads/sites/1...

snuxoll 9y ago

You hove no idea how much I would love to adopt IPv6 in my home network, but I can't find an affordable switch that handles IPv6 routing (or, if it does, can do it in hardware). This is really going to be a big bottleneck for adoption in home and small business markets, even if CableOne supported IPv6 I couldn't deploy it in my aunts shop without a rather large investment - meanwhile a dumb EdgeRouter X and managed TP-Link switch get the job done exceptionally well with IPv4.

solotronics 9y ago
edgerouter lite 3 does IPv6/IPv4 dual stack just fine and the switch shouldn't be looking at IP anyways it's just keeping a table of MAC addresses.
- snuxoll 9y ago
  Switches have IP routing for a reason, why make a hop off the switch to the router and back just to route between separate VLAN's? I've got four ports on my switch at home in a LAG for my FreeNAS box, having to jump out to my external router then back to traverse the separate subnets make the setup worthless.
  - solotronics 9y ago
    yes most modern switches also can do routing but that's not the setup the above poster mentions. a dumb unmanaged switch doesn't even look at IP
colanderman 9y ago
Mikrotik's home products are pretty inexpensive and all support IPv6. I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for (L2 switch, L3 switch, or L2 switch + router). L2 switches obviously are IPv4/6-agnostic, and L3 switches are typically overkill for a home network, so I'm assuming L2 switch + router. Mikrotik has a gigabit switch with a decently performing (IPv6-capable) router in the same package for $60 [1]. I've been running my whole home network (gigabit LAN + WiFi, 50 Mbps IPv6 WAN via HE) on one of these [2] which go for $130. From your other comment it seems you are actually looking for an L3 switch setup. You can get wire-speed routing with Mikrotik's CCR series, but those start at $425 [3]. Not sure what your budget is. [1] https://mikrotik.com/product/RB750Gr3 https://mikrotik.com/product/RB750Gr3 [2] https://mikrotik.com/product/RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT https://mikrotik.com/product/RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT [3] https://mikrotik.com/product/CCR1009-7G-1C-PC https://mikrotik.com/product/CCR1009-7G-1C-PC

jandrese 9y ago

Some day my ISP may support IPv6 natively, but today is not that day. I think I'm approaching the 10 year anniversary of my HE tunnel broker account, and that's just sad.

breser 9y ago
You made me curious, I've had mine since Feb 2011. So 6 years for me.
tomschlick 9y ago
IPv6 is one of the things that Comcast actually does right. I can't believe how slow some of the other ISPs are at adopting it.
- jandrese 9y ago
  Shoving IPv6 into the DOCSIS3 spec was really forward looking for the industry. Meanwhile Verizon's only visible contribution to getting IPv6 on FiOS has been to delete their IPv6 on FiOS FAQ. It's a crying shame that a service born in 2005 (10 years after RFC 1883 was finalized!) apparently has no transition plan for IPv6. Even if it wasn't enabled at launch, the network should have been designed for v6 support from the start.
  - takeda 9y ago
    Kind of reminds me of Python 3 migration, no one was willing to do it until running 2.7 became bigger and bigger hassle. And even then people rarely looked ahead and try to make their code forward compatible. At least it looks like Py3 was finally accepted.
  - javajosh 9y ago
    I believe that IPv6 is a threat to Verizon's business model. Without net neutrality, V can be a paid gatekeeper to centralized services; IPv6 is a tool useful for connecting decentralized resources, and so erode's one of V's revenue sources.
- 9y ago