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At some point you have to realize you're an outlier. The vast majority or users appear to tolerate and/or enjoy AMP just fine.

by golfer 9y ago

jacquesm 9y ago
The fact that the vast majority of users wants something does not make it right any more than letting your kids decide what's for dinner every day is right. At some level what people want in the short term is overruled by the longer term consequences. This whole discussion reminds me of the people ranting against RMS who many years later come to the conclusion that he probably was right all along only by then the horse has bolted. The long term consequences of AMP are to consolidate Google's power and to make Google even more of an intermediary deciding who gets to see what. It's an end run around the kind of openness that is a cornerstone of the web and I care deeply about that openness and will oppose vocally any attempt to hijack the web for fig-leaf reasons. Note how Google is slowly boiling the frog by doing all those things that they said they'd 'never do' and how their 'don't be evil' motto gets trotted out time and again to show us how they are good little web citizens when in fact they ram their unilateral solutions down our throats in the interest of their bottom line while pretending it is all about the 'user experience'. Accidentally gaining control over the content delivery of the pages containing advertising tags of competing ad networks sure must look like a nice and juicy bonus.
- MBCook 9y ago
  See… I really don't care about the ideology here. If people want to get in bed with someone who doesn't have their best interest at heart that's their choice. Borders and Toys'R'Us both decided to partner with Amazon for a while. I'm not sure why they thought that was a good idea, but that was their choice. What I care about is the user experience. That's where I'd be happy with an option to simply disable it on my devices. I think it's kind of unfortunate that it's not possible for people to discuss AMP without both issues coming up and confusing things. But that's life.
MBCook 9y ago
I would be VERY interested in some sort of study that shows that the vast majority (or even A majority) of users enjoy AMP. If the majority of users merely tolerate AMP... I wouldn't exactly call that a win for Google.
- ksk 9y ago
  Have you heard of a company saying their users hate their products? :) A Google engineer saying their users love their products is probably expected. They were probably fed this by some marketing/sales droid.
ksk 9y ago
Thankfully, We don't rank RFCs or make technical choices based on what users appear to tolerate and/or enjoy. Nor do we set ethical laws or guidelines based on what citizens tolerate. Opinions of people trained/educated in a specialized domain will always carry more weight than that of a random person. But forget all that, on a simpler level, if you do nothing most things stay the same. If you're happy with the status-quo, you're welcome to be silent. Others prefer vocal protest.

At some point you have to realize you're an outlier. The vast majority or users appear to tolerate and/or enjoy AMP just fine.

by golfer 9y ago

At some point you have to realize you're an outlier. The vast majority or users appear to tolerate and/or enjoy AMP just fine.

jacquesm 9y ago

The fact that the vast majority of users wants something does not make it right any more than letting your kids decide what's for dinner every day is right. At some level what people want in the short term is overruled by the longer term consequences. This whole discussion reminds me of the people ranting against RMS who many years later come to the conclusion that he probably was right all along only by then the horse has bolted. The long term consequences of AMP are to consolidate Google's power and to make Google even more of an intermediary deciding who gets to see what. It's an end run around the kind of openness that is a cornerstone of the web and I care deeply about that openness and will oppose vocally any attempt to hijack the web for fig-leaf reasons. Note how Google is slowly boiling the frog by doing all those things that they said they'd 'never do' and how their 'don't be evil' motto gets trotted out time and again to show us how they are good little web citizens when in fact they ram their unilateral solutions down our throats in the interest of their bottom line while pretending it is all about the 'user experience'. Accidentally gaining control over the content delivery of the pages containing advertising tags of competing ad networks sure must look like a nice and juicy bonus.

MBCook 9y ago
See… I really don't care about the ideology here. If people want to get in bed with someone who doesn't have their best interest at heart that's their choice. Borders and Toys'R'Us both decided to partner with Amazon for a while. I'm not sure why they thought that was a good idea, but that was their choice. What I care about is the user experience. That's where I'd be happy with an option to simply disable it on my devices. I think it's kind of unfortunate that it's not possible for people to discuss AMP without both issues coming up and confusing things. But that's life.

MBCook 9y ago

I would be VERY interested in some sort of study that shows that the vast majority (or even A majority) of users enjoy AMP. If the majority of users merely tolerate AMP... I wouldn't exactly call that a win for Google.

ksk 9y ago
Have you heard of a company saying their users hate their products? :) A Google engineer saying their users love their products is probably expected. They were probably fed this by some marketing/sales droid.

ksk 9y ago

Thankfully, We don't rank RFCs or make technical choices based on what users appear to tolerate and/or enjoy. Nor do we set ethical laws or guidelines based on what citizens tolerate. Opinions of people trained/educated in a specialized domain will always carry more weight than that of a random person. But forget all that, on a simpler level, if you do nothing most things stay the same. If you're happy with the status-quo, you're welcome to be silent. Others prefer vocal protest.