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I suspect that legislators are so far behind the curve on this, that they'll never protect decent humans from such guys. Answer: Forget the protection afforde

I suspect that legislators are so far behind the curve on this, that they'll never protect decent humans from such guys. Answer: Forget the protection afforded by the state. Protect yourself. Blacklist the scum manufacturers, warn your acquaintances. What other suggestions.

driminicus 9y ago
In this specific case: if you own a sonos, try to get your money back over this.
givinguflac 9y ago
Have you even read what data is being collected? Sonos is not a scum company, though the article is providing badly inaccurate info.
- sverige 9y ago
  Sorry, but any company that wants to collect my personal data just to continue using their product after I've purchased it, is scum.
  - forcemajeure 9y ago
    Any company that isn't collecting data on which features are being used is missing an opportunity
    - sverige 9y ago
      And they need my personal information for that because...?
      - givinguflac 9y ago
        Again with the unfounded statement. Where are you giving away personal info? You register the device with an email, what personal info do you think they're collecting? Do you think they can identify you because you named a speaker "living room"??
        sverige 9y ago
        They now have my email. There are these things called "relational databases" that allow one to collate lots of other data with a unique identifier. There are organizations that do nothing but gather that data and resell it. I do my best to stay out of that marketplace. What benefit is there to me to provide any seller of consumer goods with my personal data?
    - ionised 9y ago
      > Any company that isn't collecting data on which features are being used is missing an opportunity Why is the end user supposed to give a shit about a company's missed opportunities?
white-flame 9y ago
You violate HIPAA, and it's severe. So there's already a precedence for sensitive data. We just need to ensure all our personal data is considered under a sensitive data infrastructure of some form. That would hopefully also disincentivize home gadgets from constantly dumping everything to their mothership.

driminicus 9y ago

In this specific case: if you own a sonos, try to get your money back over this.

givinguflac 9y ago

Have you even read what data is being collected? Sonos is not a scum company, though the article is providing badly inaccurate info.

sverige 9y ago
Sorry, but any company that wants to collect my personal data just to continue using their product after I've purchased it, is scum.
- forcemajeure 9y ago
  Any company that isn't collecting data on which features are being used is missing an opportunity
  - sverige 9y ago
    And they need my personal information for that because...?
    - givinguflac 9y ago
      Again with the unfounded statement. Where are you giving away personal info? You register the device with an email, what personal info do you think they're collecting? Do you think they can identify you because you named a speaker "living room"??
      - sverige 9y ago
        They now have my email. There are these things called "relational databases" that allow one to collate lots of other data with a unique identifier. There are organizations that do nothing but gather that data and resell it. I do my best to stay out of that marketplace. What benefit is there to me to provide any seller of consumer goods with my personal data?
  - ionised 9y ago
    > Any company that isn't collecting data on which features are being used is missing an opportunity Why is the end user supposed to give a shit about a company's missed opportunities?

white-flame 9y ago

You violate HIPAA, and it's severe. So there's already a precedence for sensitive data. We just need to ensure all our personal data is considered under a sensitive data infrastructure of some form. That would hopefully also disincentivize home gadgets from constantly dumping everything to their mothership.