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Even if they were spoofed, every Navy ship has many people on watch at one time and radar is more than enough to compensate. A more reasonable explanation is ex

Even if they were spoofed, every Navy ship has many people on watch at one time and radar is more than enough to compensate. A more reasonable explanation is exhausted crew and human error.

rectang 9y ago
... which in turn would imply unreasonable schedules and systems which are not robust when faced with inevitable human error. In other words, failures of high level management and system architecture. I await the scapegoating of the crew to protect the higher-ups.
- grzm 9y ago
  > I await the scapegoating of the crew to protect the higher-ups. Considering the leadership of the Fitzgerald have been removed, why would you expect scapegoating of the crew to occur in this case? > The commanding officer, executive officer and senior non-commissioned officer of the USS Fitzgerald have been removed from their duties for cause amid the fallout surrounding the deadly collision between the USS Fitzgerald and a cargo ship off the coast of Japan on June 17. "We've lost trust and confidence in their ability to lead in those positions and they will not return to the ship," Vice Chief of Naval Operations Adm. William Moran told reporters at the Pentagon late Thursday. The 7th Fleet also said several junior officers were relieved of duty. http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/17/politics/uss-fitzgerald-leadership-removed/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/17/politics/uss-fitzgerald-leader...
  - rectang 9y ago
    Do ship commanders such as the removed captain of the Fitzgerald decide staffing levels? If sleep deprivation contributed this accident (as many are speculating), I am nevertheless skeptical that the people who are responsible for systemic lack of sleep will be held accountable.
    - grzm 9y ago
      You mean the speculation mentioned in comments here? This article, which itself is unsubstantiated speculation, makes no such mention. If you're just spitballing, fine, but I don't see any reason to make statements like these without doing some research first, much less express skepticism, particularly when presented with very recent evidence that leadership is being held responsible.
    - jrs235 9y ago
      >Do ship commanders such as the removed captain of the Fitzgerald decide staffing levels? And do they determine "deadlines" like when they must arrive at a destination? How much flexibility do they have in adjusting arrival time, particularly if [unforeseen] circumstances delay transit?
- nradov 9y ago
  According to this gCaptain editorial by an experienced merchant seaman the majority of the fault lies with the higher ups. http://gcaptain.com/editorial-red-red-us-naval-leadership-not-command/ http://gcaptain.com/editorial-red-red-us-naval-leadership-no...

Even if they were spoofed, every Navy ship has many people on watch at one time and radar is more than enough to compensate. A more reasonable explanation is exhausted crew and human error.

rectang 9y ago

... which in turn would imply unreasonable schedules and systems which are not robust when faced with inevitable human error. In other words, failures of high level management and system architecture. I await the scapegoating of the crew to protect the higher-ups.

grzm 9y ago
> I await the scapegoating of the crew to protect the higher-ups. Considering the leadership of the Fitzgerald have been removed, why would you expect scapegoating of the crew to occur in this case? > The commanding officer, executive officer and senior non-commissioned officer of the USS Fitzgerald have been removed from their duties for cause amid the fallout surrounding the deadly collision between the USS Fitzgerald and a cargo ship off the coast of Japan on June 17. "We've lost trust and confidence in their ability to lead in those positions and they will not return to the ship," Vice Chief of Naval Operations Adm. William Moran told reporters at the Pentagon late Thursday. The 7th Fleet also said several junior officers were relieved of duty. http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/17/politics/uss-fitzgerald-leadership-removed/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/17/politics/uss-fitzgerald-leader...
- rectang 9y ago
  Do ship commanders such as the removed captain of the Fitzgerald decide staffing levels? If sleep deprivation contributed this accident (as many are speculating), I am nevertheless skeptical that the people who are responsible for systemic lack of sleep will be held accountable.
  - grzm 9y ago
    You mean the speculation mentioned in comments here? This article, which itself is unsubstantiated speculation, makes no such mention. If you're just spitballing, fine, but I don't see any reason to make statements like these without doing some research first, much less express skepticism, particularly when presented with very recent evidence that leadership is being held responsible.
  - jrs235 9y ago
    >Do ship commanders such as the removed captain of the Fitzgerald decide staffing levels? And do they determine "deadlines" like when they must arrive at a destination? How much flexibility do they have in adjusting arrival time, particularly if [unforeseen] circumstances delay transit?
nradov 9y ago
According to this gCaptain editorial by an experienced merchant seaman the majority of the fault lies with the higher ups. http://gcaptain.com/editorial-red-red-us-naval-leadership-not-command/ http://gcaptain.com/editorial-red-red-us-naval-leadership-no...