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Can someone give me an overview of the different systems in price and quality? My impression was that Oculus was a bit better but pricier, but with everyone cu

• bitL 9y ago
  > Oculus was a bit better but pricier It was the other way round; Vive was considered better but significantly more expensive.
  • noncoml 9y ago
    In which way(s) is Vive supposed to be better?
    • hesdeadjim 9y ago
      The lighthouse tracking system is almost incomparably better than the optic sensors of the Oculus.
    • wlesieutre 9y ago
      I haven't followed too closely but IIRC the tracking hardware is the big difference between the two. Vive has passive beacons and the headset and controllers can locate themselves within the room based on the time of sweeps of IR laser beams. This is very fast and doesn't add CPU load. Oculus does it with computer vision and (for room scale) 2-3 1080p 60Hz cameras. I've read reports of USB 3 bandwidth problems; you have to be careful about what gets hooked up where and some people went as far as adding a PCIe USB card to handle them. EDIT: Oculus has published official notes on this, see link below. They recommend two sensors on your USB 3 ports and the third on USB 2 to get it on a different USB controller. https://www.oculus.com/blog/oculus-roomscale-balancing-bandwidth-on-usb/ https://www.oculus.com/blog/oculus-roomscale-balancing-bandw...
      • noncoml 9y ago
        Thanks for the clarifications. I was ready to purchase the Oculus Rift, but now I think I will go for the Vive.
        • wlesieutre 9y ago
          I'd read up on the other factors if I were you. I've also heard that Oculus is lighter weight and more comfortable, but that Facebook/Oculus have made some unpopular moves on platform openness and pushing for Oculus-exclusive titles. Overall I have a more positive impression of Vive, but I haven't used either company's retail hardware so I don't have a strong opinion on them.
          • BatFastard 9y ago
            That is because many people hate Facebook, and there for love anything that is not from them. Some people have similar feelings toward Value, who is not the bully on the block. But the anti-FB contingent is louder.
            • wlesieutre 9y ago
              I have some sympathy for the "don't support exclusives" argument. It's up there with taking money from Dell to release games that will only run on Dell displays. If there were significant differences between the platforms' capabilities I'd be more sympathetic, but they're basically interchangeable.
    • sp332 9y ago
      It's more comfortable out of the box, and they have a $100 band that makes it even better. However the PSVR uses a completely different style that is much better.
  • arielweisberg 9y ago
    That's pretty debatable. In many ways they are very close and have gotten closer since launch. Vive was better for the brief period where Touch was unavailable simply because you either have tracked controllers or you don't. Post Touch it comes down a bunch of other things because you can get either and not regret it. * The Vive tracking system has more usable range, but that doesn't mean anything for > 80% of spaces. * Touch controllers are much better than the Vive wands (pick your reasons). * Oculus USB requirements are a disaster as is the USB extension situation. * Oculus can run four sensors with fewer occlusion issues, and yes I still have occlusion with 4 sensors. * Optically you find people on either side in terms of which is better. Without double blind testing several samples of each I wouldn't assume anything. * I'm not sure if they have parity for reprojection performance * Vive has the passthrough camera which seems to be poorly utilized. * Oculus comes with built-in headphones, that's 100$ add on for the Vive. * Rift doesn't come with a third camera that's a 60$ add on. * Rift was lighter, but newer Vive units have gone on a diet bringing them closer. * Vive has a longer cable and if you have a primo space like mine it's a big deal. You need a biiig space though. The Vive is more expensive right now. Optically I think the Rift is better, and it's dirt cheap to add prescription lenses to (<30$). The Rift works with Oculus Home without hacks, but the reverse is not true of the Vive.
    • balls187 9y ago
      Who has a VR ready PC and doesn't have headphones? IQ wise, I've used both, and I found that optically the Vive was better.
      • cloakandswagger 9y ago
        I thought the integrated headphones were a stupid idea when they first announced them, but after using the Rift they are a must-have in my opinion. It's one less thing you're tethered to, they make jumping into VR faster and they are surprisingly high quality.
        • rocky1138 9y ago
          I like that they are easily removable. Developing a game on the Rift with them attached was a huge pain (remove headset, do some code, put headset on, test).
• eightysixfour 9y ago
  Both were considered similar with the Vive being a bit better technologically (as well as not having a locked ecosystem at launch) and the Oculus being more comfortable.
• gervase 9y ago
  There are a few factors to consider. 1. Many early adopters were upset by Oculus' decision to pursue platform exclusives, where a piece of software will only work on a single company's hardware. This is a common feature of console devices, but not commonly found in computer-based gaming. This may or may not matter to you. 1B. Some people are bothered by the fact that Facebook owns Oculus; this may or may not matter to you. 2. Oculus is considerably cheaper than the Vive, even after this price cut. Their system, including motion tracking, is roughly $400 before taxes. 3. Video quality on Oculus and Vive are roughly comparable. Framerates and resolution on the PSVR are strictly lower, which can cause some users to experience nausea or headaches. 4. Most reviews rank the accuracy of the motion capture of the three platforms as Vive > Oculus >> PSVR. This is an important metric when measuring subjective "immersion", which is, after all, the entire point of buying a VR system. 5. Both Oculus and Vive require a relatively beefy computer to run the headset at sufficiently-high framerates. If you already have one, great. If not, it should be a sizable consideration in your purchasing decision; a PSVR would be quite a bit cheaper than either computer-based headset in this scenario. So far, Vive is leading in terms of adoption rate, since Oculus' movement tracking solution launched many months after the headset. This meant that for quite a while, anyone who wanted motion capture needed to get a Vive. Now that Oculus' solution is available, it is speculated that they are using their Facebook money to buy back marketshare by undercutting Vive's solution and selling below cost. I would suggest that if you are in the market for a VR system, you should go and experience it at least once before making the plunge. Some people are extraordinarily sensitive to visual latency, which can cause severe nausea. If you are close to a Microsoft store, many have Vive demo kiosks you can use for 15 minutes to get a feel for the technology. Hope this helps.
  • jrs95 9y ago
    About that visual latency nausea... https://youtu.be/S8MAV9jhf04?t=59s https://youtu.be/S8MAV9jhf04?t=59s
  • BatFastard 9y ago
    Sounds a bit biased for Vive, I own an Oculus, but I have used a Vive many times. I would consider them to be general equals, with the Oculus having a slight visual advantage. The factor that Facebook owns oculus and is willing to cut YOUR costs to buy market share works towards your advantage. Take it when you can get it.
• Assossa 9y ago
  You have the two flipped. You can demo VR at some Best Buys, Microsoft Stores, and Microcenters. I bought an Oculus for $399. It's definitely worth it for that price, but I personally wouldn't pay $599 quite yet.
  • praneshp 9y ago
    Quick question: Can you watch Netflix on the Oculus, with the VR making it feel like you are in a Theater? I have always wondered about this use case, and would buy one if the answer is yes.
    • FLGMwt 9y ago
      For both, the resolution isn't nearly as good as you'd hope when looking for the theater experience. That's not to say the experience isn't theater-like, but I would recommend trying some theater VR out before you commit to it. Either platform would do, they're about the same in this respect.
      • praneshp 9y ago
        Thanks!
    • StavrosK 9y ago
      This has been answered, but I want to add something: Right now, the resolution is so low that the real benefit is the immersion in terms of tracking and responsiveness. You basically tolerate the low resolution (even though it's passable) because of how good (at least the Vive's, as that's what I've tried) tracking is. You really feel as if you're touching things in front of you, and everything feels amazingly responsive and with no lag. That means that it's mostly geared towards games where you touch stuff, pick stuff up, look at stuff up close, etc. For things like a movie theater, where you're just staring at a screen, my $20 cheapo Chinese phone-holder-goggle-thingy is better (it has better resolution).
      • praneshp 9y ago
• pmoriarty 9y ago
  I'm the owner of a Note 4 GearVR. I've tried it, the Note 5 GearVR, and the Vive. I prefer the Note 4 GearVR to the Note 5 GearVR because the former has a larger viewing area than the latter, and that makes a big difference in the sense of presence you get from experiencing VR. I prefer both GearVRs to the Vive, because the Vive has a much shallower depth to it. When using the Vive, it kind of looks like you're standing in a relatively small theater with a wall about 10 or 20 feet away from you on which the background is projected. In the GearVR, by contrast, the "end" of the viewing area is much, much further away, and often can't even be distinguished (except in certain apps/games). So the feeling of being in a real space and not in a fake environment is much greater in the GearVR for me than in the Vive. Also, because of the above, I get a much, much greater sense of scale in the GearVR than in the Vive when looking at huge objects like a mountain or looking down from the air in to a valley. I've had no experiences in the Vive that get anywhere near that. It really always feels like a very small space. For some apps or games (particularly ones where the VR environment is itself a room or other small space) that doesn't matter, but for others the Vive's deficiency in this respect breaks the 4th wall for me and reminds me that it's fake. Another reason I prefer the GearVR is because it's completely portable and wireless, and doesn't require a beefy desktop to run it. I've taken the GearVR with me on airplane trips, and used it to watch movies on the plane (movies that look pretty amazing when you have almost a whole IMAX screen in front of you, while everyone else on the plane is staring at little 4" monitors in their seats), and I've demoed it to many dozens of people all over the place, including at a beach. You can't do that with the Vive. These advantages of the GearVR are somewhat counterbalanced by the full-body motion sensors in the Vive. That's pretty nice, but I haven't really played any games or used any apps on the Vive where it made enough of a difference to be way better than the motion detection built in to the GearVR, which can already sense the motion of your head. Often, what you're mostly doing is turning around and looking around, and that can be done well enough on the GearVR. I haven't tried the Rift, but I've heard that it's significantly better than the GearVR, so if I was going to get a tethered VR headset, it would probably be that. But I think I'm going to skip at least a generation or two of VR headsets until they get much more comfortable, and until the apps and games available for them graduate from being mostly technology demos to being competitive with full-featured non-VR apps and games. The comfort issue is an especially big one for me, as after the novelty wore off, I really didn't want to wear the headset for long as it grew increasingly uncomfortable and just wan't worth the trouble. I've you've never tried VR, though, it is mindblowing (or at least it was for me and 99% of the people I demoed it to), so it's well worth trying, if not buying.
• hatsunearu 9y ago
  If you want to dev, Vive will be better, since it can support 2 controllers and 4 tracked pucks.