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It's remarkable if we can observe these differences directly given our currently rather course scanning mechanisms. That may or may not be what the author was

by rictic 16y ago

It's remarkable if we can observe these differences directly given our currently rather course scanning mechanisms. That may or may not be what the author was saying though.

RiderOfGiraffes 16y ago
Not to nit-pick, intended to help: I think you mean "coarse" rather than "course". After the item here a day or two ago about Garden Path sentences, your comment took me several re-takes to parse correctly.
- pbhjpbhj 16y ago
  See, that in itself is interesting to me - that you found it hard to parse that sentence because of a misspelling. To me it seemed easy to understand: I think the internal process is that as I read I'm speaking internally to myself and so hear¹ the phonic reproduction, homophones don't matter then, the meaning is clear as in that context "rather course" the path/progression/learning-period meaning of course is nonsensical. Also there's probably something in the couplet "rather coarse" being common and there being few words that can follow rather. I'm pretty good at proof reading but making many homophone (homophonic?) errors in informal writing. --- ¹ I wrote this as "here", lol.
  - RiderOfGiraffes 16y ago
    Curious. I don't read "out loud, but silently" (if you see what I mean). I don't hear the words in my head as I read. I trained myself at age 8 or 9 to read very, very fast by not "sounding out" things in my head. Net result is that I get confused quickly by misspellings. Then I need to backtrack and read things "out loud" while trying not to see what's there. Which is tricky.
    - pbhjpbhj 16y ago
      It's not sounding out as if I read aloud it's definitely much faster but it's also a phonic process to some extent. Scanning is less phonic in that no single words get sounded but somewhere there is a subconscious process still make phonic analysis I think - I can scan your comment for example and tell someone it's meaning but not the words you used. Were you an early reader? I read at age 11 when I was 6 (although formal reading ages weren't assigned then).
      - RiderOfGiraffes 16y ago
        I don't really know how old I was when I learned to read - certainly I was reading by age 4, and probably reading at a standard of age 10 when I entered school at age 5. But that's a guess. And it seems to me that I have two modes of reading: fast and "normal." In both I have trouble with misspellings that create alternate or near alternate parses, and yet in "normal" I do "hear the voices in my head." So it's not just that. At this point I'm reminded of the tennis player who was losing a match, and during the change-over he said admiringly to his oppenent: "Your serve is the most fluid, flowing and graceful serve I've ever seen." "Thank you" replied his opponent. At the next change of ends he asked: "On the ball toss, do you breathe in or out?" His opponent didn't reply, but did lose his next 6 service games as he wondered. I probably won't think too much more about exactly what happens when I read. Besides, I've heard that double-blind experiments in psychology and linguistics often produce results contrary to those produced by introspection. I think I'll stick to math and hacking.
        pbhjpbhj 16y ago
        Lol, thanks for your thoughts.

by rictic 16y ago

It's remarkable if we can observe these differences directly given our currently rather course scanning mechanisms. That may or may not be what the author was saying though.

RiderOfGiraffes 16y ago

Not to nit-pick, intended to help: I think you mean "coarse" rather than "course". After the item here a day or two ago about Garden Path sentences, your comment took me several re-takes to parse correctly.

pbhjpbhj 16y ago
See, that in itself is interesting to me - that you found it hard to parse that sentence because of a misspelling. To me it seemed easy to understand: I think the internal process is that as I read I'm speaking internally to myself and so hear¹ the phonic reproduction, homophones don't matter then, the meaning is clear as in that context "rather course" the path/progression/learning-period meaning of course is nonsensical. Also there's probably something in the couplet "rather coarse" being common and there being few words that can follow rather. I'm pretty good at proof reading but making many homophone (homophonic?) errors in informal writing. --- ¹ I wrote this as "here", lol.
- RiderOfGiraffes 16y ago
  Curious. I don't read "out loud, but silently" (if you see what I mean). I don't hear the words in my head as I read. I trained myself at age 8 or 9 to read very, very fast by not "sounding out" things in my head. Net result is that I get confused quickly by misspellings. Then I need to backtrack and read things "out loud" while trying not to see what's there. Which is tricky.
  - pbhjpbhj 16y ago
    It's not sounding out as if I read aloud it's definitely much faster but it's also a phonic process to some extent. Scanning is less phonic in that no single words get sounded but somewhere there is a subconscious process still make phonic analysis I think - I can scan your comment for example and tell someone it's meaning but not the words you used. Were you an early reader? I read at age 11 when I was 6 (although formal reading ages weren't assigned then).
    - RiderOfGiraffes 16y ago
      I don't really know how old I was when I learned to read - certainly I was reading by age 4, and probably reading at a standard of age 10 when I entered school at age 5. But that's a guess. And it seems to me that I have two modes of reading: fast and "normal." In both I have trouble with misspellings that create alternate or near alternate parses, and yet in "normal" I do "hear the voices in my head." So it's not just that. At this point I'm reminded of the tennis player who was losing a match, and during the change-over he said admiringly to his oppenent: "Your serve is the most fluid, flowing and graceful serve I've ever seen." "Thank you" replied his opponent. At the next change of ends he asked: "On the ball toss, do you breathe in or out?" His opponent didn't reply, but did lose his next 6 service games as he wondered. I probably won't think too much more about exactly what happens when I read. Besides, I've heard that double-blind experiments in psychology and linguistics often produce results contrary to those produced by introspection. I think I'll stick to math and hacking.
      - pbhjpbhj 16y ago
        Lol, thanks for your thoughts.