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> who’s gonna pay 3000$ to get a Mac and stuff AND 99$ a year just to build apps in their free time? Yeah, me neither The Mac complaint is fair, but you can bu

by Shank 9y ago

> who’s gonna pay 3000$ to get a Mac and stuff AND 99$ a year just to build apps in their free time? Yeah, me neither The Mac complaint is fair, but you can build and run your own apps outside of the store with a free developer account as of a couple years ago. Edit: Also, a capable Mac development machine is closer to $1500 than $3k.

kuschku 9y ago
> but you can build and run your own apps outside of the store with a free developer account as of a couple years ago. That doesn’t really help when you want to use the apps with a few friends. Honestly, Apple and Google can have whatever they requirements they want for their stores, but they should be forced by law to allow alternative stores. And you’re right, the cheapest MacBook at 1499 EUR is around 1800 USD. That’s not nearly 3000 bucks, but an entirely different story than the 600€ I paid for my thinkpad or the 700€ I paid for my desktop. And I don’t want it anyway, I’d only use it for Apple development. And I’d already have to pay extra for the iPhone.
- atomicUpdate 9y ago
  I bought a used 2012 Mac Mini for $450 and added some RAM and an SSD for $100. It probably wouldn't work great for large projects, but has been good enough for something a single developer can create on the side.
- incompatible 9y ago
  Maybe the friends could get developer accounts too?
the_common_man 9y ago
you are no longer required to have a developer account in order to test your apps on your Mac and/or iOS device. to publish apps you still need the account.
- incompatible 9y ago
  Wait, you are saying you can now install arbitrary software on an IOS device, you don't need to use the app store?
  - givinguflac 9y ago
    Correct. The iOS 9 and 10 jailbreaks used this method to utilize app based exploit vectors. Unfortunately the app are limited to 7 days before signing again.
xienze 9y ago
> Edit: Also, a capable Mac development machine is closer to $1500 than $3k. More like $700ish. The Mac Mini is perfectly capable of doing iOS app development.

by Shank 9y ago

kuschku 9y ago

> but you can build and run your own apps outside of the store with a free developer account as of a couple years ago. That doesn’t really help when you want to use the apps with a few friends. Honestly, Apple and Google can have whatever they requirements they want for their stores, but they should be forced by law to allow alternative stores. And you’re right, the cheapest MacBook at 1499 EUR is around 1800 USD. That’s not nearly 3000 bucks, but an entirely different story than the 600€ I paid for my thinkpad or the 700€ I paid for my desktop. And I don’t want it anyway, I’d only use it for Apple development. And I’d already have to pay extra for the iPhone.

atomicUpdate 9y ago
I bought a used 2012 Mac Mini for $450 and added some RAM and an SSD for $100. It probably wouldn't work great for large projects, but has been good enough for something a single developer can create on the side.
incompatible 9y ago
Maybe the friends could get developer accounts too?

the_common_man 9y ago

you are no longer required to have a developer account in order to test your apps on your Mac and/or iOS device. to publish apps you still need the account.

incompatible 9y ago
Wait, you are saying you can now install arbitrary software on an IOS device, you don't need to use the app store?
- givinguflac 9y ago
  Correct. The iOS 9 and 10 jailbreaks used this method to utilize app based exploit vectors. Unfortunately the app are limited to 7 days before signing again.

xienze 9y ago

> Edit: Also, a capable Mac development machine is closer to $1500 than $3k. More like $700ish. The Mac Mini is perfectly capable of doing iOS app development.