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I'm not trying to be snarky, I swear, but iOS checks all your boxes except "be android" along with dual sim and removable battery. And iOS hardware is still top

I'm not trying to be snarky, I swear, but iOS checks all your boxes except "be android" along with dual sim and removable battery. And iOS hardware is still top of the pack when it comes to raw power in the majority of real use cases.

kuschku 9y ago
And you pay at least thrice as much, get far worse app support outside of the US (for example, in Germany > 85% of users are on Android, so that’s where the apps are), and you basically can’t develop at all for iOS (who’s gonna pay 3000$ to get a Mac and stuff AND 99$ a year just to build apps in their free time? Yeah, me neither).
- Shank 9y ago
  > who’s gonna pay 3000$ to get a Mac and stuff AND 99$ a year just to build apps in their free time? Yeah, me neither The Mac complaint is fair, but you can build and run your own apps outside of the store with a free developer account as of a couple years ago. Edit: Also, a capable Mac development machine is closer to $1500 than $3k.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    > but you can build and run your own apps outside of the store with a free developer account as of a couple years ago. That doesn’t really help when you want to use the apps with a few friends. Honestly, Apple and Google can have whatever they requirements they want for their stores, but they should be forced by law to allow alternative stores. And you’re right, the cheapest MacBook at 1499 EUR is around 1800 USD. That’s not nearly 3000 bucks, but an entirely different story than the 600€ I paid for my thinkpad or the 700€ I paid for my desktop. And I don’t want it anyway, I’d only use it for Apple development. And I’d already have to pay extra for the iPhone.
    - atomicUpdate 9y ago
      I bought a used 2012 Mac Mini for $450 and added some RAM and an SSD for $100. It probably wouldn't work great for large projects, but has been good enough for something a single developer can create on the side.
    - incompatible 9y ago
      Maybe the friends could get developer accounts too?
  - the_common_man 9y ago
    you are no longer required to have a developer account in order to test your apps on your Mac and/or iOS device. to publish apps you still need the account.
    - incompatible 9y ago
      Wait, you are saying you can now install arbitrary software on an IOS device, you don't need to use the app store?
      - givinguflac 9y ago
        Correct. The iOS 9 and 10 jailbreaks used this method to utilize app based exploit vectors. Unfortunately the app are limited to 7 days before signing again.
  - xienze 9y ago
    > Edit: Also, a capable Mac development machine is closer to $1500 than $3k. More like $700ish. The Mac Mini is perfectly capable of doing iOS app development.
- msie 9y ago
  you basically can’t develop at all for iOS (who’s gonna pay 3000$ to get a Mac That's assuming that you don't already own a Mac but a lot of people do.
vturner 9y ago
Yes, but that box is oh so hard to check. ;)
- busterarm 9y ago
  Is it? I need my phone to do three things: 1) Make and receive calls & texts. 2) Run a small number of ubiquitous apps (maps, ride hailing) 3) Not get hacked at DEFCON. Phones with the Apple logo on the back do this job best. Their security posture is just so much better and you don't have carrier-enforced forced obsolescence from the software side. You literally can always run the latest iOS until the hardware _just can't_. I'm an open source guy only as much as it makes sense.
  - jensv 9y ago
    Don't forget about Blackberry! :P
    - busterarm 9y ago
      New Blackberries are Android though.
  - hueving 9y ago
    >I'm an open source guy only as much as it makes sense. That means you're not really an open source guy. You're just using whatever is best on the market at the time.
    - colejohnson66 9y ago
      Then that would mean no one except for Richard Stallman are open source guys
      - busterarm 9y ago
        And even he used to begrudgingly use non-free blobs while he didn't have an alternative.
therealdrag0 9y ago
I used a iPhone 5 for 3+ years and I found that every OS update performed worse and worse. I found that frustrating. So I'm not sure it checks the box of "lighter, snappier". I now upgraded to a refurbished SE and it's really nice so far.

kuschku 9y ago

And you pay at least thrice as much, get far worse app support outside of the US (for example, in Germany > 85% of users are on Android, so that’s where the apps are), and you basically can’t develop at all for iOS (who’s gonna pay 3000$ to get a Mac and stuff AND 99$ a year just to build apps in their free time? Yeah, me neither).

Shank 9y ago
> who’s gonna pay 3000$ to get a Mac and stuff AND 99$ a year just to build apps in their free time? Yeah, me neither The Mac complaint is fair, but you can build and run your own apps outside of the store with a free developer account as of a couple years ago. Edit: Also, a capable Mac development machine is closer to $1500 than $3k.
- kuschku 9y ago
  > but you can build and run your own apps outside of the store with a free developer account as of a couple years ago. That doesn’t really help when you want to use the apps with a few friends. Honestly, Apple and Google can have whatever they requirements they want for their stores, but they should be forced by law to allow alternative stores. And you’re right, the cheapest MacBook at 1499 EUR is around 1800 USD. That’s not nearly 3000 bucks, but an entirely different story than the 600€ I paid for my thinkpad or the 700€ I paid for my desktop. And I don’t want it anyway, I’d only use it for Apple development. And I’d already have to pay extra for the iPhone.
  - atomicUpdate 9y ago
    I bought a used 2012 Mac Mini for $450 and added some RAM and an SSD for $100. It probably wouldn't work great for large projects, but has been good enough for something a single developer can create on the side.
  - incompatible 9y ago
    Maybe the friends could get developer accounts too?
- the_common_man 9y ago
  you are no longer required to have a developer account in order to test your apps on your Mac and/or iOS device. to publish apps you still need the account.
  - incompatible 9y ago
    Wait, you are saying you can now install arbitrary software on an IOS device, you don't need to use the app store?
    - givinguflac 9y ago
      Correct. The iOS 9 and 10 jailbreaks used this method to utilize app based exploit vectors. Unfortunately the app are limited to 7 days before signing again.
- xienze 9y ago
  > Edit: Also, a capable Mac development machine is closer to $1500 than $3k. More like $700ish. The Mac Mini is perfectly capable of doing iOS app development.
msie 9y ago
you basically can’t develop at all for iOS (who’s gonna pay 3000$ to get a Mac That's assuming that you don't already own a Mac but a lot of people do.

vturner 9y ago

Yes, but that box is oh so hard to check. ;)

busterarm 9y ago
Is it? I need my phone to do three things: 1) Make and receive calls & texts. 2) Run a small number of ubiquitous apps (maps, ride hailing) 3) Not get hacked at DEFCON. Phones with the Apple logo on the back do this job best. Their security posture is just so much better and you don't have carrier-enforced forced obsolescence from the software side. You literally can always run the latest iOS until the hardware _just can't_. I'm an open source guy only as much as it makes sense.
- jensv 9y ago
  Don't forget about Blackberry! :P
  - busterarm 9y ago
    New Blackberries are Android though.
- hueving 9y ago
  >I'm an open source guy only as much as it makes sense. That means you're not really an open source guy. You're just using whatever is best on the market at the time.
  - colejohnson66 9y ago
    Then that would mean no one except for Richard Stallman are open source guys
    - busterarm 9y ago
      And even he used to begrudgingly use non-free blobs while he didn't have an alternative.

therealdrag0 9y ago

I used a iPhone 5 for 3+ years and I found that every OS update performed worse and worse. I found that frustrating. So I'm not sure it checks the box of "lighter, snappier". I now upgraded to a refurbished SE and it's really nice so far.