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Isn't that also what the Nazi alt-right people are doing: grabbing a radicalized ready made identity off the shelf because they don't know who they are? I see

by api 9y ago

Isn't that also what the Nazi alt-right people are doing: grabbing a radicalized ready made identity off the shelf because they don't know who they are? I see a ton of this today. Maybe it's the social media version of the couch potato. This is what it looks like when people lose themselves in social media.

zimpenfish 9y ago
> This is what it looks like when people lose themselves in social media. No, this is what it looks like when you have a racist country that doesn't address its institutional racism for decades combined with a racist political party that panders and dogwhistles to them for (at least 5, more like 20) years combined with broken ideas about free speech.
- leereeves 9y ago
  The Democratic vice-mayor of Charlottesville has publicly said he hates white people. Racism goes both ways and some people in both parties are guilty of it.
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    Whilst I can't defend him saying that, I will point out that it happened in 2009 and it's possible his opinions have changed since. (Also mildly amusing that the person highlighting these tweets was one "Jason Kessler", a local Charlottesville bloggerm and now presumably the same one enjoying worldwide fame for organising a Nazi-themed march which left someone dead.)
    - leereeves 9y ago
      > the person highlighting these tweets was one "Jason Kessler" I saw it on CNN's website, where Bellamy said he'd grown since 2011 (that's the year he mentioned). http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/08/13/charlottesville-virginia-vice-mayor-racist-tweets-protests-newday-weekend.cnn http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/08/13/charlottesville-virg...
      - zimpenfish 9y ago
        Yeah, he did say plenty of stupid things 2009-12 but the "I hate white people" was 2009. Not that I'm giving him a pass for any of this - they were legitimately dumbass idiot things to say anywhere, much less in public.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - eli_gottlieb 9y ago
    >The Democratic vice-mayor of Charlottesville has publicly said he hates white people. Ok. How many white people have been beaten by police under his vile, racist vice-regime? Oh. Zero, you say? How many white people have had guns pointed at them by Black Panthers under his vile, racist vice-regime? Oh. Zero, you say? Then I think there's a difference. One side says mean things on Twitter, the other side infiltrates police departments and burns down churches.
    - leereeves 9y ago
      Zero, I did not say. According to the ACLU and ABC, police allowed the violence at the march to happen. > [ACLU Tweet:] Clash between protesters and counter protesters. Police says "We'll not intervene until given command to do so." > Video replayed over the weekend on cable news and social media appears to show long brawls between protesters and counter-protesters that went uninterrupted by police. http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-face-criticism-eruptions-violence-charlottesville/story?id=49192837 http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-face-criticism-eruptions-vio...
    - TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
      Fighting racism with racism will just make the racists even more racist.
  - js2 9y ago
    He has since apologized for and disavowed those tweets. He wrote them before he was in public office: “I sincerely apologize for the inappropriate things I posted to social media many years ago,” Bellamy said in his Facebook post. “Elected officials should be held to a higher standard, and while I was not in office at the time, in this instance I came up short of the man I aspire to be.” He attributed the tweets to an immature phase of his life. “At the time of the tweets that I saw posted on the website, I was a young man in my early 20s living outside the Deep South for the first time,” Bellamy said. “In the course of trying to mature and find my way I came to some false conclusions about the world around me and made them known.” http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2016/11/wes-bellamy-charlottesville-twitter http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2016/11/wes-bellamy-cha...
- tmaly 9y ago
  Besides the party pandering, they even elected these monsters into the US Senate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan
  - psychometry 9y ago
    Top-notch Whataboutism, there...
  - extra88 9y ago
    He also filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act. But he outlasted his "Dixiecrat" origins and repeatedly expressed regret and apologized for his past views. Still, he was never a very progressive party member and not really representative of the party overall. Other Dixiecrats, like Strom Thurmond, switched to the Republican party when the found the Democratic party no longer in line with their racist views.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > a racist political party that panders and dogwhistles to them for (at least 5, more like 20) years Closer to 50; the Southern Strategy started with the 1968 Presidential election. And, really, it was longer than that, in a sense, the Southern Strategy was just the Republicans taking up what LBJ closed the door on Democrats ability to exploit in the South when he backed the Civil Rights Act.

by api 9y ago

zimpenfish 9y ago

> This is what it looks like when people lose themselves in social media. No, this is what it looks like when you have a racist country that doesn't address its institutional racism for decades combined with a racist political party that panders and dogwhistles to them for (at least 5, more like 20) years combined with broken ideas about free speech.

leereeves 9y ago
The Democratic vice-mayor of Charlottesville has publicly said he hates white people. Racism goes both ways and some people in both parties are guilty of it.
- zimpenfish 9y ago
  Whilst I can't defend him saying that, I will point out that it happened in 2009 and it's possible his opinions have changed since. (Also mildly amusing that the person highlighting these tweets was one "Jason Kessler", a local Charlottesville bloggerm and now presumably the same one enjoying worldwide fame for organising a Nazi-themed march which left someone dead.)
  - leereeves 9y ago
    > the person highlighting these tweets was one "Jason Kessler" I saw it on CNN's website, where Bellamy said he'd grown since 2011 (that's the year he mentioned). http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/08/13/charlottesville-virginia-vice-mayor-racist-tweets-protests-newday-weekend.cnn http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/08/13/charlottesville-virg...
    - zimpenfish 9y ago
      Yeah, he did say plenty of stupid things 2009-12 but the "I hate white people" was 2009. Not that I'm giving him a pass for any of this - they were legitimately dumbass idiot things to say anywhere, much less in public.
- deleted 9y ago
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- eli_gottlieb 9y ago
  >The Democratic vice-mayor of Charlottesville has publicly said he hates white people. Ok. How many white people have been beaten by police under his vile, racist vice-regime? Oh. Zero, you say? How many white people have had guns pointed at them by Black Panthers under his vile, racist vice-regime? Oh. Zero, you say? Then I think there's a difference. One side says mean things on Twitter, the other side infiltrates police departments and burns down churches.
  - leereeves 9y ago
    Zero, I did not say. According to the ACLU and ABC, police allowed the violence at the march to happen. > [ACLU Tweet:] Clash between protesters and counter protesters. Police says "We'll not intervene until given command to do so." > Video replayed over the weekend on cable news and social media appears to show long brawls between protesters and counter-protesters that went uninterrupted by police. http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-face-criticism-eruptions-violence-charlottesville/story?id=49192837 http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-face-criticism-eruptions-vio...
  - TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
    Fighting racism with racism will just make the racists even more racist.
- js2 9y ago
  He has since apologized for and disavowed those tweets. He wrote them before he was in public office: “I sincerely apologize for the inappropriate things I posted to social media many years ago,” Bellamy said in his Facebook post. “Elected officials should be held to a higher standard, and while I was not in office at the time, in this instance I came up short of the man I aspire to be.” He attributed the tweets to an immature phase of his life. “At the time of the tweets that I saw posted on the website, I was a young man in my early 20s living outside the Deep South for the first time,” Bellamy said. “In the course of trying to mature and find my way I came to some false conclusions about the world around me and made them known.” http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2016/11/wes-bellamy-charlottesville-twitter http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2016/11/wes-bellamy-cha...
tmaly 9y ago
Besides the party pandering, they even elected these monsters into the US Senate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan
- psychometry 9y ago
  Top-notch Whataboutism, there...
- extra88 9y ago
  He also filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act. But he outlasted his "Dixiecrat" origins and repeatedly expressed regret and apologized for his past views. Still, he was never a very progressive party member and not really representative of the party overall. Other Dixiecrats, like Strom Thurmond, switched to the Republican party when the found the Democratic party no longer in line with their racist views.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> a racist political party that panders and dogwhistles to them for (at least 5, more like 20) years Closer to 50; the Southern Strategy started with the 1968 Presidential election. And, really, it was longer than that, in a sense, the Southern Strategy was just the Republicans taking up what LBJ closed the door on Democrats ability to exploit in the South when he backed the Civil Rights Act.