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I strongly disagree with the claim that there is no gender difference I sincerely don't think that anyone is proposing that there is no difference between men

I strongly disagree with the claim that there is no gender difference I sincerely don't think that anyone is proposing that there is no difference between men and women, the discussion is over the extent of the differences. We are dealing with overlapping gaussians. The question is the extent of the overlap. If the overlap is very close on many abilities, men exceed women on some (like say maths), and women exceed men on some others required for a programming job (like say, empathy), then you'd expect distribution of jobs to be around 50% with slight variations. There is no indication that they vary by the amount required to explain the disparity of jobs in tech, indeed, this is easily refuted by looking at the number of women in technical jobs in the US in the 70s. PS It's Dunning-Kruger

bluecalm 9y ago
>>indeed, this is easily refuted by looking at the number of women in technical jobs in the US in the 70s. You could make your point stronger if you propose an explanation to what changed since then. It's very unlikely that men (and society in general) become more sexist, if anything we have made a lot of progress. I can tell you what the opposing side says though. They say women had little choice back then and just did what was needed. Today women have more choice, freedom and there is less discrimination so they feel free to pursue what is interesting to them which is not tech more often than in case of men.
- WaxProlix 9y ago
  "You make your counterexample stronger by giving your opponents, who have proven they are uninterested in actual debate, something else to latch on to in order to try to make you look wrong or stupid" Seems like a bad tack to me - staying on topic is good enough for this kind of corrective comment.
- jamespo 9y ago
  One theory is the strong marketing of 8-bit home microcomputers towards boys
  - ThomPete 9y ago
    And because boys are more interested in things... ?

bluecalm 9y ago

>>indeed, this is easily refuted by looking at the number of women in technical jobs in the US in the 70s. You could make your point stronger if you propose an explanation to what changed since then. It's very unlikely that men (and society in general) become more sexist, if anything we have made a lot of progress. I can tell you what the opposing side says though. They say women had little choice back then and just did what was needed. Today women have more choice, freedom and there is less discrimination so they feel free to pursue what is interesting to them which is not tech more often than in case of men.

WaxProlix 9y ago
"You make your counterexample stronger by giving your opponents, who have proven they are uninterested in actual debate, something else to latch on to in order to try to make you look wrong or stupid" Seems like a bad tack to me - staying on topic is good enough for this kind of corrective comment.
jamespo 9y ago
One theory is the strong marketing of 8-bit home microcomputers towards boys
- ThomPete 9y ago
  And because boys are more interested in things... ?