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Hi, Just want to give a different perspective here. It's definitely hard (japan was as well till recently) It's possible to get it on the right track. Tech job

Hi, Just want to give a different perspective here. It's definitely hard (japan was as well till recently) It's possible to get it on the right track. Tech jobs (especially depending on the province) provide incentives for a better path to something like this. I'm directly involved with the fuzhou government deal. My cofounder chris is quoted in the article. We are actually getting incentives and visas for foreign talent to move to southern china. We have a proper incorporation in china and everything setup. Their goal is to build a large scale tech hub. More of the news in mandarin from the launch: http://www.mnw.cn/news/fz/1759144.html http://www.mnw.cn/news/fz/1759144.html http://fz.fjsen.com/2017-06/27/content_19717392.htm http://fz.fjsen.com/2017-06/27/content_19717392.htm http://news.fznews.com.cn/shehui/20170627/5951957fec4fc.shtml http://news.fznews.com.cn/shehui/20170627/5951957fec4fc.shtm... http://www.chinadevelopment.com.cn/news/cy/2017/06/1154087.shtml http://www.chinadevelopment.com.cn/news/cy/2017/06/1154087.s... http://www.fjcl.gov.cn/xzdt/1709724.jhtml http://www.fjcl.gov.cn/xzdt/1709724.jhtml http://health.gmw.cn/2017-06/26/content_24892813.htm http://health.gmw.cn/2017-06/26/content_24892813.htm http://fj.people.com.cn/GB/n2/2017/0627/c181466-30385585.html http://fj.people.com.cn/GB/n2/2017/0627/c181466-30385585.htm... http://fj.people.com.cn/BIG5/n2/2017/0627/c181466-30385585.html http://fj.people.com.cn/BIG5/n2/2017/0627/c181466-30385585.h... http://news.fznews.com.cn/shehui/20170627/5951ab08e5189.shtml http://news.fznews.com.cn/shehui/20170627/5951ab08e5189.shtm... http://fz.fjsen.com/2017-06/27/content_19716514.htm http://fz.fjsen.com/2017-06/27/content_19716514.htm This actually made a large scale splash in china. We will be the primary AI vendor for the implementation. We are helping them build their own on prem infrastructure. We are hiring in china for those interested in learning more! Email in profile. Edit: updated to clarify about perm residency.

auganov 9y ago
That's not permanent residentship though, is it?
- lamorz 9y ago
  TBH I do not think there is any "permanent relationship" in any organization in China. They can shut down your business without reason, or giving you some unreasonable reason.
- agibsonccc 9y ago
  You would be able to work towards it with a proper visa. It would certainly be easier than a simple teaching job. China tends to look more favorably upon high skilled labor (especially AI). I will update my comment to clarify. Of note here, it is possible: https://www.travelchinaguide.com/embassy/visa/refusal.htm https://www.travelchinaguide.com/embassy/visa/refusal.htm It would come down to having a stable working job in china for an extended period.
  - tellarin 9y ago
    Nope. Many of the rules to obtain one and the implications of having "Chinese green card" are opaque or undefined. And It expires in 10 years; IF you manage to get one. Regulations for work visas also change very very frequently. Source: Living in China for 5+ years and going through these.
    - agibsonccc 9y ago
      Thanks for clarifying! I've only done the process in japan. We are dealing with locals for the visa process and sponsoring foreigners but will concede ignorance on permanent residence. Thanks! That being said, your reply seems a bit "binary": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15016955 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15016955 I don't seem to be completely wrong according to your comment here? The green card doesn't seem impossible, but I won't exactly claim to be an immigration lawyer.
      - tellarin 9y ago
        It used to be basically impossible to get one, but that has changed recently with these fast track processes. However, each location has different rules and durations for the process and it's common for rules to change during application; or for the process to take years longer than the official length. Not to mention processes that "freeze" and there is no feedback on why it happened. All of which end up making the whole process extremely hard. Moreover, the exact implications of getting PR are not clear in regards to rights, taxation, or other obligations. It will probably take a non-trivial amount of time for things to stabilise and be clearer.
seanmcdirmid 9y ago
I had no problem getting my work visa renewed for 9 years, but was never offered even a chance at permanent residency. In the USA, they would have forced the issue after 6.

auganov 9y ago

That's not permanent residentship though, is it?

lamorz 9y ago
TBH I do not think there is any "permanent relationship" in any organization in China. They can shut down your business without reason, or giving you some unreasonable reason.
agibsonccc 9y ago
You would be able to work towards it with a proper visa. It would certainly be easier than a simple teaching job. China tends to look more favorably upon high skilled labor (especially AI). I will update my comment to clarify. Of note here, it is possible: https://www.travelchinaguide.com/embassy/visa/refusal.htm https://www.travelchinaguide.com/embassy/visa/refusal.htm It would come down to having a stable working job in china for an extended period.
- tellarin 9y ago
  Nope. Many of the rules to obtain one and the implications of having "Chinese green card" are opaque or undefined. And It expires in 10 years; IF you manage to get one. Regulations for work visas also change very very frequently. Source: Living in China for 5+ years and going through these.
  - agibsonccc 9y ago
    Thanks for clarifying! I've only done the process in japan. We are dealing with locals for the visa process and sponsoring foreigners but will concede ignorance on permanent residence. Thanks! That being said, your reply seems a bit "binary": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15016955 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15016955 I don't seem to be completely wrong according to your comment here? The green card doesn't seem impossible, but I won't exactly claim to be an immigration lawyer.
    - tellarin 9y ago
      It used to be basically impossible to get one, but that has changed recently with these fast track processes. However, each location has different rules and durations for the process and it's common for rules to change during application; or for the process to take years longer than the official length. Not to mention processes that "freeze" and there is no feedback on why it happened. All of which end up making the whole process extremely hard. Moreover, the exact implications of getting PR are not clear in regards to rights, taxation, or other obligations. It will probably take a non-trivial amount of time for things to stabilise and be clearer.

seanmcdirmid 9y ago

I had no problem getting my work visa renewed for 9 years, but was never offered even a chance at permanent residency. In the USA, they would have forced the issue after 6.