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How is it a strawman exactly ? Is it ok to do anything you want just because you don't like trump ? It would be abuse if it was illegal surveilance, but this ?

How is it a strawman exactly ? Is it ok to do anything you want just because you don't like trump ? It would be abuse if it was illegal surveilance, but this ? How exactly is this abuse ?

harry8 9y ago
If you have probable cause getting a targeted warrant is not an issue. For or against Trump has exactly ZERO baring on that. If you want records for 1.3 million people you're in the realms of claiming there's a criminal conspiracy and a measurable fraction of adults in the USA are in on it. Or you're doing dragnet on your political enemies. It's wrong if someone working for Obama does it, it's wrong if Reagan does it, it's wrong if Hilary does it, it's wrong if _anyone_ does it. Including Trump. He's not special, he's the same whether you like him or not.
- buttcake 9y ago
  Ok, I understand. Thank you.
  - xxxdarrenxxx 9y ago
    There are 530k national guards /rserved and 460k actual soldiers in America, combined making up 990k. That's 310k more "threats". Need a bigger army XD Half America crying out against Nazi's, but extracting information on certain categorized groups and being pro Nationalistic is how NAZIs (Hitler) rose to power in the first place. Some tough irony right there.
- dingo_bat 9y ago
  For or against Trump is an issue. He is the president. You cannot threaten the president and expect no action from the FBI and secret service.
  - brewdad 9y ago
    Are you saying 1.3 million people directly threatened the president? Really? This is a dragnet plain and simple. Will they find a few threats? Probably. My guess is 1.299 million Americans will needlessly be harmed by this action.
    - deleted 9y ago
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    - dingo_bat 9y ago
      How will they be harmed? What do you suggest FBI should do to protect American interests? Will Google and other hosts block this website just like they are doing with neo Nazi domains? If yes, then probably FBI can rest. Otherwise they have to take measures that ensure the safety of America's elected president.
      - charonn0 9y ago
        The actions of privately-owned registrars are completely irrelevant to this discussion.
        dingo_bat 9y ago
        It's not irrelevant. What Google and go daddy did is tantamount to censorship. And that actually does prevent somebody from exercising free speech.
        sixstringtheory 9y ago
        Private corporations and government are different, legally and philosophically. You won't be able to apply a law written specifically restricting the government to private citizens or corporations without a constitutional amendment. What Google and GoDaddy did was the private citizen equivalent of hearing someone else state their opinion, allowing the words to enter their brain, think about them, and then decide they do not espouse those opinions, so they will not go around stating them to other people as fact. That is not censorship, it's just good sense.
nailer 9y ago
I dislike the far left as much as anyone else but not every member of a 'disrupt' groups is an antifa member plotting violence. Most are well meaning individuals who disagree with the president on a variety of issues and have a right to their political opinion and to protest.

How is it a strawman exactly ? Is it ok to do anything you want just because you don't like trump ? It would be abuse if it was illegal surveilance, but this ? How exactly is this abuse ?

harry8 9y ago

If you have probable cause getting a targeted warrant is not an issue. For or against Trump has exactly ZERO baring on that. If you want records for 1.3 million people you're in the realms of claiming there's a criminal conspiracy and a measurable fraction of adults in the USA are in on it. Or you're doing dragnet on your political enemies. It's wrong if someone working for Obama does it, it's wrong if Reagan does it, it's wrong if Hilary does it, it's wrong if _anyone_ does it. Including Trump. He's not special, he's the same whether you like him or not.

buttcake 9y ago
Ok, I understand. Thank you.
- xxxdarrenxxx 9y ago
  There are 530k national guards /rserved and 460k actual soldiers in America, combined making up 990k. That's 310k more "threats". Need a bigger army XD Half America crying out against Nazi's, but extracting information on certain categorized groups and being pro Nationalistic is how NAZIs (Hitler) rose to power in the first place. Some tough irony right there.
dingo_bat 9y ago
For or against Trump is an issue. He is the president. You cannot threaten the president and expect no action from the FBI and secret service.
- brewdad 9y ago
  Are you saying 1.3 million people directly threatened the president? Really? This is a dragnet plain and simple. Will they find a few threats? Probably. My guess is 1.299 million Americans will needlessly be harmed by this action.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - dingo_bat 9y ago
    How will they be harmed? What do you suggest FBI should do to protect American interests? Will Google and other hosts block this website just like they are doing with neo Nazi domains? If yes, then probably FBI can rest. Otherwise they have to take measures that ensure the safety of America's elected president.
    - charonn0 9y ago
      The actions of privately-owned registrars are completely irrelevant to this discussion.
      - dingo_bat 9y ago
        It's not irrelevant. What Google and go daddy did is tantamount to censorship. And that actually does prevent somebody from exercising free speech.
        sixstringtheory 9y ago
        Private corporations and government are different, legally and philosophically. You won't be able to apply a law written specifically restricting the government to private citizens or corporations without a constitutional amendment. What Google and GoDaddy did was the private citizen equivalent of hearing someone else state their opinion, allowing the words to enter their brain, think about them, and then decide they do not espouse those opinions, so they will not go around stating them to other people as fact. That is not censorship, it's just good sense.

nailer 9y ago

I dislike the far left as much as anyone else but not every member of a 'disrupt' groups is an antifa member plotting violence. Most are well meaning individuals who disagree with the president on a variety of issues and have a right to their political opinion and to protest.