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Then don't make your profile public. You can't expect someone to forget you once had a bad haircut just because you now got a really cool one.

by redial 9y ago

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chii 9y ago
actually, that happens a lot, at least before the advent of the internet. Physical photos are not always available, and people's memories fade. This is why a lot of people still think of information in the old way - as time goes by, it might fade.
ubernostrum 9y ago
The problem is you're basically saying to re-train every person who uses the internet to behave in a way completely different from what they're used to. If you think you can do that, by all means try. But don't be surprised when you find out that your expectations and their expectations were different, and you're the one they blame, and they outnumber you by a lot.
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- studentrob 9y ago
  > The problem is you're basically saying to re-train every person who uses the internet to behave in a way completely different from what they're used to. When did we ever teach people that you can control where your data ends up on the internet? Aren't we trending towards teaching people to not even share data on "closed" services like Facebook and Gmail precisely because they are a single source for a lot of data to be misused by the company, or hacked by a malicious actor? Regarding data that is accessible without "friending" someone or logging in as the user themselves (e.g. Gmail), I hope people already realize that this data can easily be re-used. > But don't be surprised when you find out that your expectations and their expectations were different, and you're the one they blame, and they outnumber you by a lot. If the majority of people think that they can share nude photos of themselves on their own blog or twitter and that this won't be re-used elsewhere, well... I must be living in a different reality, or I misunderstand your point.
  - azernik 9y ago
    We taught people that they could control where their data ends up before the internet, because that was an accurate model of reality. I think this is a problem that we'll grow out of as more and more people grow up in the shadow of omnipresent social media.
    - sowbug 9y ago
      Junk mail, telemarketing, revenge porn, and gossip predate the internet. Different media, same lessons.
- bryanrasmussen 9y ago
  indeed a way completely different than anyone in the history of humanity has ever behaved.
paulie_a 9y ago
While that is true, you can't be dismissive that technological advances allow for more sophisticated "memories"
p49k 9y ago
This argument would hold more water if these services didn't constantly rely on dark patterns to trick people into making things public that they otherwise would have preferred to be private.

Then don't make your profile public. You can't expect someone to forget you once had a bad haircut just because you now got a really cool one.

by redial 9y ago

Then don't make your profile public. You can't expect someone to forget you once had a bad haircut just because you now got a really cool one.

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chii 9y ago

actually, that happens a lot, at least before the advent of the internet. Physical photos are not always available, and people's memories fade. This is why a lot of people still think of information in the old way - as time goes by, it might fade.

ubernostrum 9y ago

The problem is you're basically saying to re-train every person who uses the internet to behave in a way completely different from what they're used to. If you think you can do that, by all means try. But don't be surprised when you find out that your expectations and their expectations were different, and you're the one they blame, and they outnumber you by a lot.

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studentrob 9y ago
> The problem is you're basically saying to re-train every person who uses the internet to behave in a way completely different from what they're used to. When did we ever teach people that you can control where your data ends up on the internet? Aren't we trending towards teaching people to not even share data on "closed" services like Facebook and Gmail precisely because they are a single source for a lot of data to be misused by the company, or hacked by a malicious actor? Regarding data that is accessible without "friending" someone or logging in as the user themselves (e.g. Gmail), I hope people already realize that this data can easily be re-used. > But don't be surprised when you find out that your expectations and their expectations were different, and you're the one they blame, and they outnumber you by a lot. If the majority of people think that they can share nude photos of themselves on their own blog or twitter and that this won't be re-used elsewhere, well... I must be living in a different reality, or I misunderstand your point.
- azernik 9y ago
  We taught people that they could control where their data ends up before the internet, because that was an accurate model of reality. I think this is a problem that we'll grow out of as more and more people grow up in the shadow of omnipresent social media.
  - sowbug 9y ago
    Junk mail, telemarketing, revenge porn, and gossip predate the internet. Different media, same lessons.
bryanrasmussen 9y ago
indeed a way completely different than anyone in the history of humanity has ever behaved.

paulie_a 9y ago

While that is true, you can't be dismissive that technological advances allow for more sophisticated "memories"

p49k 9y ago

This argument would hold more water if these services didn't constantly rely on dark patterns to trick people into making things public that they otherwise would have preferred to be private.