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Nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields from monitors
- guyfawkes303 9y agoWell, that sure is terrifying.
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- nisa 9y agoIt's probably bullshit. If there would be an effect that can be reliable recreated using only a CRT and certain modulations it should not be hard to setup a double blind placebo controlled study and become famous. I presume there was and is a lot of research regarding electromagnetic waves and their influence on the human body and if you exclude effects that are caused by very high energy electromagnet waves like heating tissue or effects on the brain when using a helmet and lot's of energy nothing was ever reliable shown that would work on a CRT. Hell, if brown note was real don't you think in the last 50 years either bored students would have attempted to implement that on campus or law enforcement would use it to disperse crowds. If this would work reliably every facility that has access to equipment to create such waves would have probably a setup to expose the new guys/students to these effects for the amusement of all. Maybe I'm naive but extraordinary claims warrant extraordinary evidence. If this works we would have heard about it by now. But well - if you search for the patent you are pretty much in tinfoil hat land - no amount of scepticism or reason will help there.
- carapace 9y agoIt is not bullshit. You are naive.
- dom0 9y agoCease your investigation
- carapace 9y agohttps://books.google.com/books?id=V7wt3Sqj_X8C&lpg=PP1&dq=subliminal&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=subliminal&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=V7wt3Sqj_X8C&lpg=PP1&dq=su... "Subliminal: How Your Unconscious Mind Rules Your Behavior" By Leonard Mlodinow ...
- derefr 9y agoThis is basically talking about the type+frequency of "flashing" imagery that triggers photosensitive epilepsy—but more subdued, yes?
- aeleos 9y agoFrom what I understand, its the actual magnetic field produced by the monitor that when pulsated at various frequencies causes these effects. I don't think its related to epilepsy, but I don't know if the reasons why it works are known.
- dom0 9y agoNo, this is about the EM field. The magnetic field of CRTs is very weak (so weak that it is dwarfed by nearby rail power lines which have a rather weak M field as well; so weak that you have to recalibrate for monitor movement relative to earth's M field). I doubt this works, at all, for a variety of reasons.
- tinix 9y ago> The observed effects include ptosis of the eyelids, relaxation, drowziness, the feeling of pressure at a centered spot on the lower edge of the brow, seeing moving patterns of dark purple and greenish yellow with the eyes closed, a tonic smile, a tense feeling in the stomach, __sudden loose stool__, and sexual excitement, depending on the precise frequency used, and the skin area to which the field is applied. The sharp frequency dependence suggests involvement of a __resonance mechanism__. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_note https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_note
- rhythmvs 9y agoThe patent holder appears to be an unidentified pseudonym: https://www.quora.com/Who-is-Hendricus-G-Loos https://www.quora.com/Who-is-Hendricus-G-Loos > “All devices are used for Mind Control projects run by CIA or other intelligence agencies. A group of researchers (under the name Dr H Loos) were actually a group of hired professionals for researching and inventing such devices which could be developed and used for mass mind control, PSYOPS, behaviour modification later by CIA.”
- anfractuosity 9y agoI'm curious why they patented their research, rather than keeping it hush-hush.
- throwaway91111 9y agoPossibly because research elsewhere is approaching their work independently.
- munin 9y agoThe US patent system accommodates classified patents: https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s120.html https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s120.html
- marvy 9y agoHow can that work? You need a security clearance to read them? What if someone else invents the same thing before the patent expires?
- mschuster91 9y ago> What if someone else invents the same thing before the patent expires? Government will offer you a nice sum of "keep quiet money" and an NDA, you're getting hit with NSLs, your patent is outright seized by the state, you're getting threats e.g. of tax or immigration checks... the ways government can intimidate you are endless. For the obvious, legal, way see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_Secrecy_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_Secrecy_Act
- justinjlynn 9y agoPlease note that one does not have to prove anything in regards to the actual functionality claimed. The patent office is perfectly happy approving your anti-gravity device if it is novel. Keep this in mind (if you'll excuse the pun) when evaluating designs found there.
- dboreham 9y agoIs that totally true? I had always heard that for example applications for perpetual motion machines would always be denied. Perhaps that was the U.K. Patent Office? The USPTO really allows on the face impossible inventions??
- jacobolus 9y agoWikipedia: Proposals for such inoperable machines have become so common that the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) has made an official policy of refusing to grant patents for perpetual motion machines without a working model. The USPTO Manual of Patent Examining Practice states: > With the exception of cases involving perpetual motion, a model is not ordinarily required by the Office to demonstrate the operability of a device. If operability of a device is questioned, the applicant must establish it to the satisfaction of the examiner, but he or she may choose his or her own way of so doing.[24] And, further, that: > A rejection [of a patent application] on the ground of lack of utility includes the more specific grounds of inoperativeness, involving perpetual motion. A rejection under 35 U.S.C. 101 for lack of utility should not be based on grounds that the invention is frivolous, fraudulent or against public policy.[25] The filing of a patent application is a clerical task, and the USPTO will not refuse filings for perpetual motion machines; the application will be filed and then most probably rejected by the patent examiner, after he has done a formal examination.[26] Even if a patent is granted, it does not mean that the invention actually works, it just means that the examiner believes that it works, or was unable to figure out why it would not work.[26] The USPTO maintains a collection of Perpetual Motion Gimmicks.
- dboreham 9y agoOk thanks so the parent was incorrect: the USPTO will not grant a patent on an anti-gravity machine.
- thinkfurther 9y agoWe haven't made sufficient "progress" until we have Blipverts. As "Bryce Lynch" said in that Max Headroom episode: "It's not my problem. My brief was to find a way to stop channel switching. I mean, you know, I only invent the bomb, I don't drop it. Ha ha." [he gives that quick shrugging grin of an uncertain adolescent] The thing about going out with a bang vs. a whimper.. come to think of it, I'm pretty sure it will be a shrug.
- im3w1l 9y ago1/2 Hz? I wonder if music with 120 beats per minute trigger that.
- jbg_ 9y ago1/2 Hz is one oscillation every 2 seconds. That would be 30 per minute.
- im3w1l 9y agoAs the idea is from early 2000, I wonder if this is CRT only. Modern screens have much weaker fields iirc.
- darkmighty 9y agoYes, CRTs used electric fields to accelerate electrons, no such things with LCD/LED displays. Not to mention those claims are probably bogus.
- tbrownaw 9y agoAfter attempting to read that, I'm fairly sure it's not just talking the normal expected effects of watching things on a screen - porn makes you horny, scary things make you shit your pants, PowerPoint puts you to sleep, etc. But the language is somewhat impenetrable, so I'm not completely sure.
- westmeal 9y agoYeah I'm not sure if this is a joke or not.
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- andai 9y agoHow come?
- westmeal 9y agoIt's referring to humans reacting to what's on a screen but the actual document is using 'legalese' like language to make it seem more amazing than it is. For instance if pornography was displayed on screen sexual arousal would naturally follow. Like I said I'm not sure if this is a joke.
- divbit 9y agoNot that I think this would be abused or anything, but I remember when technology seemed sweet and innocent just a couple of years ago
- exikyut 9y agoThere are a few relevant things this reminds me of. The most interesting thing in this list is actually preventing me from having a job, so if you only read one point, start at the big paragraph halfway down. I would appreciate it. - "Tempest for Eliza" (http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/ http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/) is a Linux program that shows rapidly alternating patterns of black and white on your CRT. If you sit a correctly-tuned AM radio nearby you can hear music. The latest version of this program can even transmit MP3s. Examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlVM9xqGKx8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlVM9xqGKx8 (original version, sound in 2nd half); https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xPfAnPW2wY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xPfAnPW2wY (MP3 version - FLICKERING/FLASHING, epilepsy warning) - Van Eck phreaking has been mentioned elsewhere in here; I also remember a YouTube video of someone showing that it's possible to get something out of an LCD ribbon cable via simple RTLSDR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N1C3WB8c0o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N1C3WB8c0o - Mythbusters did a thing on the brown note concept. Myth. - I'm yet to play around with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats at some point, but I don't have any headphones. - I've put the first thing this article made me think of last: EMR sensitivity. I have this, it drives me nuts. I'm using a laptop with Wi-Fi right now and I'm completely fine, but I can't use PlayStation 2s, and I have absolutely no idea why. My nervous system goes ballistic: I get incredibly anxious, I feel like I've been awake for 3 weeks without a break, I can't focus on anything because I'm so exhausted and everything feels like a chore, and most catastrophically, my cognition falls completely apart. I also have unbelievable amounts of doom/gloom (I feel like I'm dying from the inside out), either triggered from the other effects or as its own thing. I would describe myself as reasonable, not particularly unhinged, and with no major emotional issues. Probably the most interesting/telling thing that's happened with this issue is that I once told a family member "I don't know what's going on, but I might need to get off the computer" one day - and then a little while later I coincidentally discovered that a DVD player that had not been turned on for years had been accidentally knocked and turned on (it had a push on/off mains switch on the front panel). FWIW, I've tried both the original and slimline PS2s, and the slimline one uses an external PSU brick - which I'm fine with, if it's not connected to the PS2. Hence my great confusion (I thought this was a simple "can't use power supplies" thing). I had to stop using all technology for 4 years (2008-2012) after using a PS2 for about 3 days and it having a catastrophic impact; it was, of all things, fish oil that made a quantitative difference and let me use computers every day again. I don't get it at all, but the theory I now have is that the myeolin sheathing around my nerves is somehow damaged. (Perhaps tellingly, at one point while writing this text both of my arms twitched upwards. My jaw sometimes twitches as I talk as well.) I'm reminded of a TV show I saw years ago that was talking about how the repeated lapping of waves against an oil platform's pylons created resonance that caused the pylons to shatter. On a similar note, the wineglass thing also works (even with the human voice) if you use an amplifier. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I cannot work due to this issue - I have no idea why PS2s, DVD players and other random devices cause this problem, so I can't tell an employer what I unambiguously can and cannot handle. Unfortunately, I know of nowhere in Sydney, Australia that is interested in digging into it. If anyone wants a guinea pig or test case, I'm in. I'd like to get a job!
- mtgx 9y agoSounds like something Facebook would be interested in.
- DrScump 9y ago(Published January 2003)
- otto_ortega 9y agoA bit of off-topic but... Does anybody knows about some some good and relatively cheap service to apply for a patent on the US? Something on the line of: You provide the idea/description/explanation and they take care of the rest?
- kadavero 9y agoPedantically speaking, all the text and images you see on your screen are electromagnetic field and are manipulating your nervous system. https://xkcd.com/722/ https://xkcd.com/722/
- memracom 9y agoYou need to watch the film, "Kingsman: The Secret Service" starring Colin Firth. Something very similar to this was used to induce people to murder others.
- andai 9y ago> Observed effects include [...] sexual excitement, depending on the precise frequency used I gotta get me one of these
- Tharkun 9y agoSome credible research on the influence of magnetic fields on migraines is being done, iirc by Markus Dahlem. So while this may sound rather fanciful, I suppose it's not impossible?
- clavalle 9y agoI'd love to see the original research just out of curiosity. But it seems to me that even if externally generated electromagnetic energy did have an effect, by the time you had some behavior you could observe, it would be like trying to make a toy sailboat move by dumping water near it from a firefighting plane.