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OT a bit but I think still related. 8 years ago when I switch to OSX I was furious with finder. Tiny window, no hierarchical browsing and the search just doesn'
by stuntkite 9y ago
OT a bit but I think still related. 8 years ago when I switch to OSX I was furious with finder. Tiny window, no hierarchical browsing and the search just doesn't do shit that is useful.
I normally default to locate or find now so much that I was using it the other day I was reminded about how much it sucked. It's literally identical (aside from tags and labels) to what it was forever ago and is a terrible paradigm. I looked around for a bit for some help on refining the search sensibly and nothing in the OS helped (back on topic!). I've been using a great replacement for Finder called PathFinder that does everything Finder should do, but you can't swap it out. All the native places I access Finder are important inroads. They used to have instructions to hack it but apple shut them down.
I feel more and more like UI and usability innovation totally ate itself and died at maybe a specific moment in time ~6 years ago. Where did the people and companies go that do cool new things? Are the giants on their laurels long enough yet to get eaten? I'd switch totally to Ubuntu or Mint for my desktop work, but I do things that require the adobe suite, I need a trackpad that works as well as the mac one without fighting it, and I want to just solve problems, not fiddle with barely supported gizmos for weeks.
Did we reach the absolute end of all we can do with this juggling of rectangles that display and accept text and now we just get everything that matters to a power user stripped off for the sake of what "most users care about"? I really don't think we have.
I'm still pissed and I still have no answers. My kingdom for a $3000 laptop that "Just works" and helps me murder code, deployment, graphic arts, music, and still loads HBONow.
- pampa 9y agoA beefy windows workstation or laptop to cover Adobe & DAWs + VMWare for Linux. With fullscreen VMWare and open-vm-tools I can barely notice that it doesn't run bare metal, and i can keep different distros at hand for different purposes.
- stuntkite 9y agoI bought Windows 10 Pro last year and had really high hopes for it after the Ubuntu shim was introduced. Windows is a fucking nightmare for anything involving producing audio at a pro level. The Ubuntu shim does not solve what I need even though it's a nice add. The real kicker is that STILL many errors produce a window where I can't even fucking copy the output. Why that is still a feature, I have no idea. That coupled with how they manage fixes/updates and a general distrust for the system being close to secure... It just didn't work out. I wanted to buy that giant drafting table computer with the knob and say fuck it to the MBP. I went to look at it and bought another kinect one day, and what felt like an omen, their windows run point of sale system that tries to hide in the desks like the apple store failed so bad at taking my card that the guy had to use two different work stations and literally was "turning it off and on again" with both his card swiping windows mobile phone and the computers. I feel like my future is in some sort of hand rolled main LXD or CoreOS or the like, that quickly composts whole systems locally and in the cloud but also easily remote desktops to local Mac and Windows machines. I have ideas in my head and a bit in code for a bare bones graphical interface that renders a graph that I can attach arbitrary points to that go to systems, API, terminal instances, containers, etc. I can weight the node connections and also record weight on paths based on frequency of traversal enabling automatic access shortcuts. Of course OSX is close to impossible to run virtualized, which is stupid as hell. Actually if it could without a larger time investment than my full time job that might solve all of my problems. I don't know, I still need all of the systems that are out there... but I think it's time to put a top layer interface on it that gives me them and more. Setting up a springboard for something that doesn't sit around waiting for big providers to bless me with mana from heaven while they wave their dicks in my face. Here's an example of a nerfed version of what I'm talking about as an OS supervisor UI that I'm using for a lesson series on Docker [https://www.dropbox.com/s/be4lh1015y305jr https://www.dropbox.com/s/be4lh1015y305jr]. There is nothing about it that's clean or safe to operate, but I just wanted to prove it. In the current version you can select a node and drop to a terminal inside of a container. Also, I've added support for API nodes auto generated from graphql and REST (if you write the schema). I think it proves the concept. The next step is the pullback to whole systems I guess.
- anonymfus 9y ago> The real kicker is that STILL many errors produce a window where I can't even fucking copy the output. Why that is still a feature, I have no idea. BTW a standard way to do it is to just press Ctrl+C in such window without any text selection or context menu. Because such messages could be shown when system has no resources to create context menu or text selection, and that was very important in 16-bit days.
- stuntkite 9y agoI'm sure your right. The fact that they haven't updated that and I've been in *nix/OSX for 8 years now made my frustration point maybe lower than it should have been. Then the next thing I'm doing is trying to use cmd and powershell and my hair falls out. But this is great info and will definitely keep be from cursing quite as much next time I'm MS admining.
- delinka 9y agoLet me klingon to the thread with this: It's 2017 and I still can't use the keyboard to copy and paste from and to a Windows command line window...
- DanBC 9y agoCtrl C and Ctrl V works in Windows 10 command prompt.
- stuntkite 9y agoAlso if you're not quite ready to kill yourself while using the windows command prompt. Enjoy a powershell.
- rpeden 9y agoYou'd probably enjoy Cmder[1]. Everything works really nicely, it supports multiple tabs, and you can download a version that includes most of the Unix commands you know and love. [1] http://cmder.net/ http://cmder.net/
- codyb 9y agoUgh, finder is shit. I've set my default to list view a million times only to see a bunch of folder icons on my screen everytime I double click a directory. I enjoy living in terminal. I'm very mediocre with both find and grep but I'm getting better and it makes me feel cool ;-), heh.
- stuntkite 9y agoWith textexpander, grep, sed, awk, and xargs I macro my way around most of the issues. If you haven't tried TE I highly recommend it. I found it when I started to suffer from some repetitive strain injuries that look like carpal tunnel last year. Being hobbled has actually improved my output!
- givinguflac 9y agoFWIW, I've never had that issue. Are you aware it sets the view type for each folder? It makes sense if you want to view different files in different ways. If you want to set all views to list system wide, you can set list as default in the view menu. Depending how you've set other folders you may need to nuke view settings, by it sounds like that won't be an issue for you. Spend a minute to learn how your tools work man. https://howchoo.com/g/mzuxyjqyzmy/how-to-set-the-view-options-for-all-finder-windows-in-os-x https://howchoo.com/g/mzuxyjqyzmy/how-to-set-the-view-option...
- nebabyte 9y agoI love reading these hilariously entitled comments from people who must have either ignored or foregone considering their choice of env years ago while anyone sensible and reasonably intelligent realized how to avoid these issues in the first place. No, you do not get any hand-holding in the world of technology; you can't simultaneously hope for a consumer product that "Just Works^TM" and demand your customization needs (wants, actually) be met. > and helps me murder code "Rockstar code ninja" to boot.
- stuntkite 9y agoListen man, I do plenty of customization. What I'm bitching about here is what I consider to be a lack of innovation and a dereliction on obvious existing, key tools. Finder is a beautiful example of Apple not taking care of it's shit. I don't need a fucking hand hold. My 3 year old Macbook Air is in my opinion the BEST laptop available. I'm angry that the innovation appears to have ceased from the availible providers and I just can't fathom why. Just because I used a vernacular you don't appreciate doesn't mean I don't take my work seriously and know how to operate my tools. The second they shape up, someone else delivers me an answer, or I write something to get me out of this platform, there I go. Nothing I'm talking about involved "hand-holding." I want a same priced laptop, with a good GPU, with what I've got now, plus some effort into glaringly obvious old problems. Maybe innovating in a direction that was geared towards a producer and not vibration emojies for a jogging watch. If my math on their income is right both could be possible. Maybe I'm just naive.
- nebabyte 9y agoYour delusion that paying "availible [sic] providers" the large price tag they put on their electronics and 'doing plenty of customization' make them "your" tools is the reason I don't take you seriously; "your vernacular" is more an indicator than an issue in that regard. > The second they shape up, someone else delivers me an answer, or I write something to get me out of this platform, there I go. The first two are more of the same. The third is just something you're telling me (and yourself?) to try and continue the charade, as anyone capable of taking that option would already (and as I said, did many years ago when they saw the choices in front of them) have done so, and would not be "angry" over what they would see as the obviously financially sensible decision from Apple et al.
- Asooka 9y agoThis sentiment is why I do almost everything in a terminal. I see even people who use mac do everything on the terminal. Whenever someone complains about a UI tool crashing, acting wonky, being slow, my reply is always 1. I can't help you, I don't use that; 2. Just use the terminal. UI fashions come and go, but the terminal is forever.
- kronos29296 9y agoIf you are just using bash for everything why don't you just use a tty instead. Jokes aside, Isn't linux a better idea if Bash is all you need? The only difference is that Mac has more proprietary stuff that don't support linux. If that's not an issue linux is much better.(IMO)
- fauigerzigerk 9y agoDevice drivers. That's what kills Linux for desktop/laptop use.
- Asooka 9y agoWell, I don't use bash (zsh nowadays) for literally everything. I also use the browser, etc. My VIM isn't in the console, I use the GUI, so I can have more colours and better fonts. But in general, when I can, I control things via the least complicated interface possible - plain text commands. My gripe isn't that there's anything inherent in GUIs that makes them a less reliable interface than the terminal, it's that getting them to the same level of dependability appears to take more time. And, for all its warts, the fashion du jour of making a GUI by just dumping HTML+JS in a browser instance is something I whole-heartedly support, because it gives application developers probably the simplest (today) wide-spread technology to build GUIs with. It almost always results in applications that consume too much RAM, too much CPU, aren't native-looking, and there are probably other easy GUI-building solutions (QML?), but at the same time they're trivial to edit, quick to write, and there is a ton of documentation and a large community around them. I really hope that electron becomes a standard installable application platform in the near future.
- oscii 9y agoIt probably depends on a personal workflow, but for me, Finder works perfectly, and I really miss it on Linux. I have a reasonably organized directory structure, and I navigate and do basic tasks like copying mostly using just a keyboard. I remember directory names and I just start typing their names and the Finder goes to them (actually, most file managers have this feature). Occasionally, I do 'ls | grep' or 'find' from the console to find some specific stuff (I have Spotlight disabled).
- givinguflac 9y agoI agree. Years ago Finder left much to be desired, but with all the updates of the last few revisions I'm not left wanting for anything. People complaining about searching likely haven't tried smart searches, it's awesome. Can anyone specifically call out what their issues are with Finder besides "it sucks"? I really feel that I'm missing something here.
- stuntkite 9y agoI have not used smart searches, and now I'm reading about them and it does look pretty cool. But that search bar should give me something sort of close to what I'm looking for in a couple strokes and it really doesn't. I can specifically call out what my issues are with Finder. - Where is my fucking folder tree. There was no reason to take it away other than "thinking different" just like the backspace key. Super special guys. - Search bar does not behave in a way that I think comes close to useful for quick search. - Why does the window default to something so small and not have an obvious way to set the default spawn size to something reasonable. At this point it should be context aware. - I don't want more windows, I want tabs too. - The sliding cell browsing is cumbersome, it sometimes forces you into a folder when you are trying to be in it's parent, it limits your view of your total file list, and in this view there is no way (that I know of) to utilize ordering without the dropdown, so you are stuck with hitting the first letter of the file you think might be there to try to get there quick. - let me make symlinks from the UI. - The list view is great for the most part, but since you don't have a tree you have to either loose your browsing context to move to a new folder or you have to open a new window... and it will be too small. Then when you try to drag things into the new window, that probably defaulted to the sliding cell view floating around to get where you want to go will inevitably have you dropping the file somewhere bad. This was the most egregious before Lion when "cut and paste" did not exist. You could enable something that called itself that but it didn't do it and used the trash? Mostly it was just delete. - I can't preview a file in the list view without hitting space and blocking my view of my context. - It appears to be designed to keep you away from the system HD. More and more so with every release. I want to look at my filesystem, it it's entirety, easily and without using "go". - Because you can ONLY use finder for getting files from an application you are stuck with usually a default view that is just a directory dropdown. Then you open it up and it's the slider cell. Then you get trapped and you can't go up a single directory so you have to go to a directory that you used recently, hopefully.... if not you have to go to you user root and navigate down a train. - If you're gonna be designed to keep normal users "safe" then maybe let me have a button that does "open ssh in directory." - Drag and drop file copying is laggy as fuck and produces constant problems with relocating files. It's always been the same level of unpredictable and now I'm just trained to sit there and wait for the green +. If the UI is going to be so restrictive and drag copy centric, then this should be like lightning. - Let me use cli applications from the UI. A right click is fine, a button is ok, a hot key is better. This is a Unix based system. Give me that option, out of the box. - Without any customization, the program should be focused on less clutter, not more. The defaulting to opening new tiny windows that get left in a stack is bad. I sort of get the DMG open window install process when we were back in the CD days like 12 years ago. Now it's ugly, and shitty, and gives leeway to software providers to just do dumb illegible stuff. It seems that the rendering of the DMG install windows changes over time and that breaks the desired UI for older packages. This thing needs to die. ---- I want to be able to move down a tree looking at files like the cell does, with filtering, with a tree on the left, with easy file previews, to any place I can write on my system. Maybe that includes downloading a file from Chrome into /opt. File browsing is a noise heavy data intensive problem sometimes. If you are going to arbitrarily make the most basic tool on the system default to an oddly specific size, well then in use you should do some context detection and expand when there's a huge god damned list of files in the folder. I. Should. Always. Be. Able. To. Sort. And. See. My. Sorting. Options. If any of this is available, please give me protips.
- blacksmith_tb 9y agoI much prefer mdfind[1] to locate or find on macOS, it uses the same metadata Spotlight leverages. 1: https://ss64.com/osx/mdfind.html https://ss64.com/osx/mdfind.html