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I know the UK market best, but you can get uncapped 38meg VDSL for £25/month Inc tax - about $30/month. Virgin Media is £45 for 100mbit DOCSIS. I have hyperop

I know the UK market best, but you can get uncapped 38meg VDSL for £25/month Inc tax - about $30/month. Virgin Media is £45 for 100mbit DOCSIS. I have hyperoptic in my apartment, which is about £55/month for uncapped 1gig up/down. Keep in mind European prices include all taxes in their prices.

tptacek 9y ago
I could be wrong --- I'm not looking very hard --- but that DOCSIS rate looks higher than the Xfinity equivalent in Chicago.
- martinald 9y ago
  Including tax and fees with no caps?
  - tptacek 9y ago
    So, I don't know, but if we're down to quibbling amount the amount of money taxes represent, I think the argument that Europe has drastically better Internet access than the US is over, isn't it?
    - ploxiln 9y ago
      The caps make a huge, huge difference. That's why mobile LTE plans are sold almost completely in terms of the cap. Consider a 100 mbps cable connection with a classic comcast 250 GiB cap. Now obviously home internet is designed and sold to be bursty. But if you do the math, this is only 6 hours of max-speed traffic, for an entire month. Or look at it from the other extreme, no bursting - it's less than 1 mbps spread over an entire month. Frankly, 100 mbps is overkill, I'd be happy with a solid symmetric 40 mbps. The reason the numbers are so high is people who aren't network engineers think "hmm my internet is still not enough somehow, I should get more" but the rated speed is not the problem. In fact I recently switched from 200mbps/20mpbs cable to 100mbps/100mpbs fios, for the significantly faster and more consistent upload speed. I don't miss the extra 100mbps download speed at all. Summary: speed matters less the higher you go. The caps matter more.
      - tptacek 9y ago
        I'm sure that's true, but what is the actual cap comparison between (say) Xfinity and Virgin Media? Virgin is definitely capped --- or at least, they definitely say it is.
        martinald 9y ago
        Xfinity often has a fixed, hard 250GB caps in most markets. VM in the UK has caps only on the upstream between 6pm-11pm, where it slows your upstream down by 50% if you upload a lot in that time slot. Hardly comparable?
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- tracker1 9y ago
  100 mbit xfinity is under $58 in Chicago?
  - kasey_junk 9y ago
    I pay 80 for 300. But caps exist.
  - rayiner 9y ago
    RCN Chicago is $50 for 330 mbps, compared to $45 for Virginia media 100 mbps (both 12-month prices). RCN has no data cap, while Virgin has an extremely complicated traffic management policy (for uploads only): https://my.virginmedia.com/traffic-management/traffic-management-policy-30Mb-or-higher.html https://my.virginmedia.com/traffic-management/traffic-manage....
    - tracker1 9y ago
      It's way more for Cox in Phoenix, AZ; and for Comcast in Jacksonville, FL... almost twice as much for around 100mbps
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tptacek 9y ago

I could be wrong --- I'm not looking very hard --- but that DOCSIS rate looks higher than the Xfinity equivalent in Chicago.

martinald 9y ago
Including tax and fees with no caps?
- tptacek 9y ago
  So, I don't know, but if we're down to quibbling amount the amount of money taxes represent, I think the argument that Europe has drastically better Internet access than the US is over, isn't it?
  - ploxiln 9y ago
    The caps make a huge, huge difference. That's why mobile LTE plans are sold almost completely in terms of the cap. Consider a 100 mbps cable connection with a classic comcast 250 GiB cap. Now obviously home internet is designed and sold to be bursty. But if you do the math, this is only 6 hours of max-speed traffic, for an entire month. Or look at it from the other extreme, no bursting - it's less than 1 mbps spread over an entire month. Frankly, 100 mbps is overkill, I'd be happy with a solid symmetric 40 mbps. The reason the numbers are so high is people who aren't network engineers think "hmm my internet is still not enough somehow, I should get more" but the rated speed is not the problem. In fact I recently switched from 200mbps/20mpbs cable to 100mbps/100mpbs fios, for the significantly faster and more consistent upload speed. I don't miss the extra 100mbps download speed at all. Summary: speed matters less the higher you go. The caps matter more.
    - tptacek 9y ago
      I'm sure that's true, but what is the actual cap comparison between (say) Xfinity and Virgin Media? Virgin is definitely capped --- or at least, they definitely say it is.
      - martinald 9y ago
        Xfinity often has a fixed, hard 250GB caps in most markets. VM in the UK has caps only on the upstream between 6pm-11pm, where it slows your upstream down by 50% if you upload a lot in that time slot. Hardly comparable?
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tracker1 9y ago
100 mbit xfinity is under $58 in Chicago?
- kasey_junk 9y ago
  I pay 80 for 300. But caps exist.
- rayiner 9y ago
  RCN Chicago is $50 for 330 mbps, compared to $45 for Virginia media 100 mbps (both 12-month prices). RCN has no data cap, while Virgin has an extremely complicated traffic management policy (for uploads only): https://my.virginmedia.com/traffic-management/traffic-management-policy-30Mb-or-higher.html https://my.virginmedia.com/traffic-management/traffic-manage....
  - tracker1 9y ago
    It's way more for Cox in Phoenix, AZ; and for Comcast in Jacksonville, FL... almost twice as much for around 100mbps

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