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I would hope most companies that consider software to be their core business give programmers offices, even if they have to share those offices with another per
by thehardsphere 9y ago
I would hope most companies that consider software to be their core business give programmers offices, even if they have to share those offices with another person on the same team. Most companies that do not often consider programmers secondary to their core business, which is a good reason not to work there if you have a choice.
- dmoy 9y agoI mean I would hope so too, but it appears to be patently not true. Thus the ask HN question, where can one find these mythical offices.
- thehardsphere 9y agoWell, the only place where a non-programmer would treat the idea that programmers should have offices with incredulity would be a place that doesn't value software as its core business. I mean, most "programmers" don't work for software companies; many of them are employed by banks and insurance companies. It's natural for that to be treated weird there.
- dmoy 9y ago"the only place where a non-programmer would treat the idea that programmers should have offices with incredulity would be a place that doesn't value software as its core business" But this is also not true, see e.g. Facebook, Google.
- krageon 9y agoYou can hope that that's the case, but that doesn't mean that it is. In my experience, it is emphatically not the case.
- thehardsphere 9y agoDo you work at a company whose core business is software?
- emodendroket 9y agoI do, and I've interviewed at several others. Nowhere have I seen private offices.
- nsp 9y agoYes, in NYC, never worked or interviewed anywhere that gave engineers their own office, probably looked at 50-100 NYC startups
- copenja 9y agoI do. We have an open floor plan for all employees.
- Clubber 9y agoYou're conflating what the smart thing to do is with what's actually done. :)
- thehardsphere 9y agoIf your employer does not do smart things, you should find a better employer.
- fahadkhan 9y agoI agree. But if you consider having a personal office a smart thing, this isn't going to easy or even possible.
- thehardsphere 9y agoI consider having an office a smart thing. Shared offices are better than no offices. I don't think shared offices are too much to ask if your employer is a software company.
- fahadkhan 9y agoThis is of course location sensitive. In London, UK, I have not heard of personal or shared offices anywhere but very small companies.
- quicklyfrozen 9y agoSo please tell us where these better employers are -- that is the point of this thread after all. I've been in software for 30 years, and I only remember interviewing at one company in the Boston area that had private offices for most engineers -- Stratus, back in 92.
- drstewart 9y agoAgreed, I also think it's smart to pay your programmer $350k/year. If you don't work for a place like that then you don't work for a true software development company, or you work for a dumb one (in which case you shouldn't work there).
- OkGoDoIt 9y agoIs this sarcasm? As far as I’m aware, jobs at even large successful software companies rarely pay that well. Perhaps super high level engineers at Google or FB but a very small subset of developers would have this opportunity.
- dmoy 9y agoYou do not need to be that high of a level at Facebook/Google to make 350k/yr. It is not a very small subset, but rather a very large set.