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You shouldn't avoid sugar, you need it to live; glucose is the fuel your body runs on. I assume you mean refined sugar.

by DKnoll 9y ago

dpark 9y ago
You don't have to have sugar to live. It's not an essential nutrient.
- DKnoll 9y ago
  You don't need to consume simple sugar to live, but carbohydrates will metabolise to glucose in your body regardless.
  - miguelrochefort 9y ago
    You don't even need carbohydrates. Ketones are an alternative to glucose. Proteins can be converted to glucose.
fsociety 9y ago
This is not true and proven again and again with people in hardcore keto. On a similar note though, the best diet is the one you can keep on doing.
ecshafer 9y ago
Your body can turn fat into glucose by gluconeogenesis. Sugar is okay if and only if there is a high fiber count as well. Ketogenic and Paleolithic diets show that high sugar intake, especially with breads, grains, and refined sugar is not healthy and not necessary.
- DKnoll 9y ago
  It's (eating a lot of bread and grains) necessary for the majority of the planet that cannot afford such a diet.
  - jogjayr 9y ago
    That's not necessarily true. Peanuts and oils from other vegetable sources (canola, mustard, soybean, corn, coconut) are full of fat, cheap to grow and reasonably healthy. Beans, legumes, eggs and dairy are protein-rich and also quite cheap. Keto doesn't have to mean steak and bacon-wrapped shrimp every meal.
    - miguelrochefort 9y ago
      Vegetable polyunsaturated oil is not healthy.
      - jogjayr 9y ago
        Citation? This is what I found searching "vegetable polyunsaturated": "Polyunsaturated fats can have a beneficial effect on your heart when eaten in moderation and when used to replace saturated fat and trans fat in your diet."[1] 1. https://healthyforgood.heart.org/Eat-smart/Articles/Polyunsaturated-Fats https://healthyforgood.heart.org/Eat-smart/Articles/Polyunsa...
        miguelrochefort 9y ago
        http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtml http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtml
- dario_insane 9y ago
  sorry for the rant.. looking at human history it was starches that kept people surviving and striving. there is no real long term data on keto diets. i personally experimented with high/low carb and the simplified gist is: low carb works because you take away the carbs. high carb works because you take away the fat. protein doesn't really matter. but see for example "whole" from campbell on the potentially negative effect of excess protein. excess is pretty much more than 5-10%. look at graham and many more wfpb 80/10/10 athletes. anyway, i'm currently on high carb, wfpb, tropical fruit. eating sometimes 5000 kcals a day. exercising less than an hour a day. max 5 days a week. spending rest of time at the computer. keeping my weight. 44 years btw. there seem to be non-trivial relationships between the macros. and you need to look at the micro nutrients if you want to support long term health. if you look at how much sicker the general population gets, it's really hard to argue that dairy, eggs and meat are really "healthy". only the greens in keto diets will compensate for the negative effects of animal products. again, see whole, and how not to die and many more. in there you find (by now thousands! of) studies on this. get rid of animal products and stick to fruits and vegetables if you prefer raw food, or starches and vegetables otherwise to avoid burdening your body in the first place. i really don't get how this knowledge has not reach "the computer people". i understand how the industries control the government and "the general population". but "us guys and gals" have the information at our finger tips. so weird.. :-) read up on how the tobacco industry fought like 50 years ago. the same is happening with meat etc. eventually they will have to add the same labels to meat etc like we see on cigarettes today. the government websites already contain warnings about meat, dairy and eggs causing cancer. the industry pays a lot of money to keep the government from promoting a healthy diet. well.. main issue i see with high carb wfpb is that people at some point are really too sick to properly digest grains etc. that's why keto diets work so well for many people. let's wait and see about their long term effect. (then again, on a personal note, i'm hoping all these meat-promoting keto people die of cancer sooner rather than later. it's a karma thing. the cruelty against helpless creatures in meat dairy and egg farms.. not cool.. no matter what you may believe.. not cool..) anyway, i was really f*ed up from unhealthy eating for like 30 years. i got rid of my 30+ years allergies and chronic sinusitis by water and juice fasting for two months. and i settled with a high carb wfpb 80-100% raw diet. raw because i have access to fresh tropical fruits. which isn't a given for everyone in germany.. :-) feeling really good so far. on a side note: but i do consider trying out the Dr. Nun Amen-Ra diet at some point.

You shouldn't avoid sugar, you need it to live; glucose is the fuel your body runs on. I assume you mean refined sugar.

by DKnoll 9y ago

You shouldn't avoid sugar, you need it to live; glucose is the fuel your body runs on. I assume you mean refined sugar.

dpark 9y ago

You don't have to have sugar to live. It's not an essential nutrient.

DKnoll 9y ago
You don't need to consume simple sugar to live, but carbohydrates will metabolise to glucose in your body regardless.
- miguelrochefort 9y ago
  You don't even need carbohydrates. Ketones are an alternative to glucose. Proteins can be converted to glucose.

fsociety 9y ago

This is not true and proven again and again with people in hardcore keto. On a similar note though, the best diet is the one you can keep on doing.

ecshafer 9y ago

Your body can turn fat into glucose by gluconeogenesis. Sugar is okay if and only if there is a high fiber count as well. Ketogenic and Paleolithic diets show that high sugar intake, especially with breads, grains, and refined sugar is not healthy and not necessary.

DKnoll 9y ago
It's (eating a lot of bread and grains) necessary for the majority of the planet that cannot afford such a diet.
- jogjayr 9y ago
  That's not necessarily true. Peanuts and oils from other vegetable sources (canola, mustard, soybean, corn, coconut) are full of fat, cheap to grow and reasonably healthy. Beans, legumes, eggs and dairy are protein-rich and also quite cheap. Keto doesn't have to mean steak and bacon-wrapped shrimp every meal.
  - miguelrochefort 9y ago
    Vegetable polyunsaturated oil is not healthy.
    - jogjayr 9y ago
      Citation? This is what I found searching "vegetable polyunsaturated": "Polyunsaturated fats can have a beneficial effect on your heart when eaten in moderation and when used to replace saturated fat and trans fat in your diet."[1] 1. https://healthyforgood.heart.org/Eat-smart/Articles/Polyunsaturated-Fats https://healthyforgood.heart.org/Eat-smart/Articles/Polyunsa...
      - miguelrochefort 9y ago
        http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtml http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtml
dario_insane 9y ago
sorry for the rant.. looking at human history it was starches that kept people surviving and striving. there is no real long term data on keto diets. i personally experimented with high/low carb and the simplified gist is: low carb works because you take away the carbs. high carb works because you take away the fat. protein doesn't really matter. but see for example "whole" from campbell on the potentially negative effect of excess protein. excess is pretty much more than 5-10%. look at graham and many more wfpb 80/10/10 athletes. anyway, i'm currently on high carb, wfpb, tropical fruit. eating sometimes 5000 kcals a day. exercising less than an hour a day. max 5 days a week. spending rest of time at the computer. keeping my weight. 44 years btw. there seem to be non-trivial relationships between the macros. and you need to look at the micro nutrients if you want to support long term health. if you look at how much sicker the general population gets, it's really hard to argue that dairy, eggs and meat are really "healthy". only the greens in keto diets will compensate for the negative effects of animal products. again, see whole, and how not to die and many more. in there you find (by now thousands! of) studies on this. get rid of animal products and stick to fruits and vegetables if you prefer raw food, or starches and vegetables otherwise to avoid burdening your body in the first place. i really don't get how this knowledge has not reach "the computer people". i understand how the industries control the government and "the general population". but "us guys and gals" have the information at our finger tips. so weird.. :-) read up on how the tobacco industry fought like 50 years ago. the same is happening with meat etc. eventually they will have to add the same labels to meat etc like we see on cigarettes today. the government websites already contain warnings about meat, dairy and eggs causing cancer. the industry pays a lot of money to keep the government from promoting a healthy diet. well.. main issue i see with high carb wfpb is that people at some point are really too sick to properly digest grains etc. that's why keto diets work so well for many people. let's wait and see about their long term effect. (then again, on a personal note, i'm hoping all these meat-promoting keto people die of cancer sooner rather than later. it's a karma thing. the cruelty against helpless creatures in meat dairy and egg farms.. not cool.. no matter what you may believe.. not cool..) anyway, i was really f*ed up from unhealthy eating for like 30 years. i got rid of my 30+ years allergies and chronic sinusitis by water and juice fasting for two months. and i settled with a high carb wfpb 80-100% raw diet. raw because i have access to fresh tropical fruits. which isn't a given for everyone in germany.. :-) feeling really good so far. on a side note: but i do consider trying out the Dr. Nun Amen-Ra diet at some point.