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ML is a set of techniques derived from math. Instead of giving up you should push through that. Use what you know to get familiar with what you don't, rather t

ML is a set of techniques derived from math. Instead of giving up you should push through that. Use what you know to get familiar with what you don't, rather than asking for things to be made accessible to you. Math is much older and bigger than computer science and refusing to learn it is over-specialization.

jokoon 9y ago
Well if it's derived from math, give the techniques, not the math. I don't care if it's accessible for me or not, it seems the guy is saying ML is the new electricity, lowering the bar won't only benefit me, but many other people who know programming and don't benefit from knowing the math. Just my opinion. Many people and hackers learn by practice, not by theory.
- inimino 9y ago
  We need both electrical engineers and licensed electricians. If you want to be an electrician, don't sign up for an engineering class taught by a pioneer in the field of electricity and then complain that there is too much theory. Coding bootcamps and vocational schools already exist to meet the needs of those who only want to be practitioners. Everyone learns by practice, but that applies to math just as well as programming. If you don't practice it, you won't learn it.
  - jokoon 9y ago
    > Everyone learns by practice, but that applies to math just as well as programming. If you don't practice it, you won't learn it. I don't see machine learning as a theoretical field of math, I see machine learning as a set of tools. To me computers are the tool you use to practice math, and you don't really need to use mathematical notation anymore, unless you really dive into a very abstract subject. ML consists of applied methods. I don't think people want to learn the theory of machine learning, they just want to know the methods that works now, and maybe dive into more complex stuff later.

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ML is a set of techniques derived from math. Instead of giving up you should push through that. Use what you know to get familiar with what you don't, rather t

by inimino 9y ago

jokoon 9y ago
Well if it's derived from math, give the techniques, not the math. I don't care if it's accessible for me or not, it seems the guy is saying ML is the new electricity, lowering the bar won't only benefit me, but many other people who know programming and don't benefit from knowing the math. Just my opinion. Many people and hackers learn by practice, not by theory.
- inimino 9y ago
  We need both electrical engineers and licensed electricians. If you want to be an electrician, don't sign up for an engineering class taught by a pioneer in the field of electricity and then complain that there is too much theory. Coding bootcamps and vocational schools already exist to meet the needs of those who only want to be practitioners. Everyone learns by practice, but that applies to math just as well as programming. If you don't practice it, you won't learn it.
  - jokoon 9y ago
    > Everyone learns by practice, but that applies to math just as well as programming. If you don't practice it, you won't learn it. I don't see machine learning as a theoretical field of math, I see machine learning as a set of tools. To me computers are the tool you use to practice math, and you don't really need to use mathematical notation anymore, unless you really dive into a very abstract subject. ML consists of applied methods. I don't think people want to learn the theory of machine learning, they just want to know the methods that works now, and maybe dive into more complex stuff later.