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There's another possibility. This guy could have been rather obnoxious about his views in the past and had been repeatedly warned. Then he wrote a memo that app

There's another possibility. This guy could have been rather obnoxious about his views in the past and had been repeatedly warned. Then he wrote a memo that appeared to be professional but espoused the same views and was finally fired for it.

WalterSear 9y ago
From what I have been told, he posted this to an internal list specifically created to provide a place for frank, open discussion of contentious, diversity related topics.
- MBCook 9y ago
  That matches what I've heard, but we don't know what his behavior was like in the office. I think GP's point is that this may have just been (one hell of a) final straw.
  - WalterSear 9y ago
    His previous behaviour is as irrelevant as the content of his post: he was given an expectation of safety to express his opinion and that trust was abused by multiple parties.
    - MBCook 9y ago
      Is it? If he has a pattern of making statements deemed by HR demeaning to women (or whatever the problem was) as was told "don't keep doing that or else you're fired" this could easily be seen as violating that agreement.
      - WalterSear 9y ago
        Or maybe he was wearing a slutty dress.
      - WalterSear 9y ago
        Why don't you read it yourself and see what all the fuss was about. https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncensored-memo-with-charts-and-cites-339f3d2d05f https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncenso...
- protomyth 9y ago
  As Netscape discovered[1], there is no such thing as an internal list or e-mail[2]. People would be well advised not to believe in such things even if they are presented as such. 1) https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0O3ZRpUp6PsJ:https://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rbarip.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0O3ZRp... (cache version) 2) http://lilly.tumblr.com/post/11230723028/steve-jobs http://lilly.tumblr.com/post/11230723028/steve-jobs
  - WalterSear 9y ago
    By internal, I didn't mean he had any expectation of secure privacy, but that he was writing for a specific audience, and that what he wrote was essentially being taken out of context. People are portraying it like he posted it on the cafeteria bulletin board. That was someone else's doing, trying (and succeeding) in punishing him.
    - protomyth 9y ago
      > By internal, I meant a limited audience. Well, It surely did not work out that way, and I stand by my caution to folks that however its defined (limited audience, private list, etc.) there will be someone to spread it beyond the original intended audience.

WalterSear 9y ago

From what I have been told, he posted this to an internal list specifically created to provide a place for frank, open discussion of contentious, diversity related topics.

MBCook 9y ago
That matches what I've heard, but we don't know what his behavior was like in the office. I think GP's point is that this may have just been (one hell of a) final straw.
- WalterSear 9y ago
  His previous behaviour is as irrelevant as the content of his post: he was given an expectation of safety to express his opinion and that trust was abused by multiple parties.
  - MBCook 9y ago
    Is it? If he has a pattern of making statements deemed by HR demeaning to women (or whatever the problem was) as was told "don't keep doing that or else you're fired" this could easily be seen as violating that agreement.
    - WalterSear 9y ago
      Or maybe he was wearing a slutty dress.
    - WalterSear 9y ago
      Why don't you read it yourself and see what all the fuss was about. https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncensored-memo-with-charts-and-cites-339f3d2d05f https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncenso...
protomyth 9y ago
As Netscape discovered[1], there is no such thing as an internal list or e-mail[2]. People would be well advised not to believe in such things even if they are presented as such. 1) https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0O3ZRpUp6PsJ:https://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rbarip.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0O3ZRp... (cache version) 2) http://lilly.tumblr.com/post/11230723028/steve-jobs http://lilly.tumblr.com/post/11230723028/steve-jobs
- WalterSear 9y ago
  By internal, I didn't mean he had any expectation of secure privacy, but that he was writing for a specific audience, and that what he wrote was essentially being taken out of context. People are portraying it like he posted it on the cafeteria bulletin board. That was someone else's doing, trying (and succeeding) in punishing him.
  - protomyth 9y ago
    > By internal, I meant a limited audience. Well, It surely did not work out that way, and I stand by my caution to folks that however its defined (limited audience, private list, etc.) there will be someone to spread it beyond the original intended audience.