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> I am surprised how big this 'manifesto' got. Is it really that big of a deal that it I'd guess that you feel that way because you're not affected by the issu

> I am surprised how big this 'manifesto' got. Is it really that big of a deal that it I'd guess that you feel that way because you're not affected by the issues discussed in the essay. I've been there myself, it takes a lot of time and effort to understand the real impact of something that doesn't impact yourself. Also, please don't think that I'm judging you or saying that you're a bad person because of it. We all share the same difficulties, and that doesn't make us better or worse, just humans. If I had a superpower, it would be making people see the world through other people's eyes.

52-6F-62 9y ago
You don't need a superpower, just a super computer to design the ultimate weapon for you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_in_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Point_of_View_Gun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_in_The_Hitchhiker%2...
macspoofing 9y ago
>I'd guess that you feel that way because you're not affected by the issues discussed in the essay. I don't work at Google, so I'm not. The manifesto itself is controversial in that if you poll the plurality of the population or employees of Google on whether they agree with some or all of it, you won't have consensus, I'm sure of it. >I've been there myself, it takes a lot of time and effort to understand the real impact of something that doesn't impact yourself. Yeah, thanks for the condescension - just because I haven't reached the same conclusion must mean I haven't taken "time and effort to understand the real impact of something that doesn't impact yourself". >Also, please don't think that I'm judging you or saying that you're a bad person because of it. Uh huh. >If I had a superpower, it would be making people see the world through other people's eyes. Why don't you try making an effort sometime.
- MBCook 9y ago
  I think what the GP meant is that if you're a young white guy this all seems a bit accedemic because your job isn't in direct question. Perhaps it would be harder to get hired in the future. If you're in a minority being questioned (women here, could be a racial group, age range, etc) people are directly questioning your ability and implying you aren't fit for your job. It looks like a much more personal attack. So they're a lot more incentivised share/discuss it.
  - macspoofing 9y ago
    >I think what the GP meant is that if you're a young white guy I know what he meant. I know what you mean as well. This isn't a substantive conversation on the issue. You and OP are not putting forward a cogent argument to support a position. You're making an appeal to emotion and valuing an opinion based on the skin color and gender of the person that argued it - not on its own merits. >It looks like a much more personal attack. And what does what you are doing look like to you?
    - MBCook 9y ago
      I wasn't trying to put a position forward, only explain why some people felt so strongly about it being discussed/shared. > And what does what you are doing look like to you? From your comment I thought you didn't understand the parent so I tried to help by trying to explain it differently. I was trying to help clear up possible confusion. Does what I posted look like advocacy to you? I honestly didn't mean it that way.
      - macspoofing 9y ago
        >I wasn't trying to put a position forward, only explain why some people felt so strongly about it being discussed/shared. I understand exactly what he's saying. I wasn't born yesterday. I reject the notion that policy is not up for debate if you're not the right gender or skin color. I reject the notion that if you don't have the right skin color or gender you cannot put forward good arguments for or against. >From your comment I thought you didn't understand the parent so I tried to help by trying to explain it differently. OP was simply patronizing when they wrote: "I've been there myself, it takes a lot of time and effort to understand the real impact of something that doesn't impact yourself". That you don't see how condescending, narrow-minded, and patronizing that kind of statement is, is your blind-spot.
    - ucaetano 9y ago
      > I know what he meant. No, you don't. By your extremely aggressive tone, I can see that not only you completely misunderstood my post, but also was offended by it. Not only that, you don't even seem to think that maybe you don't know, that there are different ways to voice and interpret messages. I'm not making an appeal to emotion, I'm explaining that perhaps you can't comprehend why people act in a certain manner because you're not in their place. That is normal, we all do it. It has nothing to do with gender or skin color, just with not being in the place of the other person. I even tried to make it very clear: > Also, please don't think that I'm judging you or saying that you're a bad person because of it. We all share the same difficulties, and that doesn't make us better or worse, just humans. But you just chose to ignore it and believe in your own truth. So not only you don't know what I meant, you intentionally ignored my clarification and decided to create your own reality. And I'm sure that no matter what I say, you'll continue to claim that I just mean to offend you. Well, if the cap fits, wear it.

52-6F-62 9y ago

You don't need a superpower, just a super computer to design the ultimate weapon for you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_in_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Point_of_View_Gun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_in_The_Hitchhiker%2...

macspoofing 9y ago

>I'd guess that you feel that way because you're not affected by the issues discussed in the essay. I don't work at Google, so I'm not. The manifesto itself is controversial in that if you poll the plurality of the population or employees of Google on whether they agree with some or all of it, you won't have consensus, I'm sure of it. >I've been there myself, it takes a lot of time and effort to understand the real impact of something that doesn't impact yourself. Yeah, thanks for the condescension - just because I haven't reached the same conclusion must mean I haven't taken "time and effort to understand the real impact of something that doesn't impact yourself". >Also, please don't think that I'm judging you or saying that you're a bad person because of it. Uh huh. >If I had a superpower, it would be making people see the world through other people's eyes. Why don't you try making an effort sometime.

MBCook 9y ago
I think what the GP meant is that if you're a young white guy this all seems a bit accedemic because your job isn't in direct question. Perhaps it would be harder to get hired in the future. If you're in a minority being questioned (women here, could be a racial group, age range, etc) people are directly questioning your ability and implying you aren't fit for your job. It looks like a much more personal attack. So they're a lot more incentivised share/discuss it.
- macspoofing 9y ago
  >I think what the GP meant is that if you're a young white guy I know what he meant. I know what you mean as well. This isn't a substantive conversation on the issue. You and OP are not putting forward a cogent argument to support a position. You're making an appeal to emotion and valuing an opinion based on the skin color and gender of the person that argued it - not on its own merits. >It looks like a much more personal attack. And what does what you are doing look like to you?
  - MBCook 9y ago
    I wasn't trying to put a position forward, only explain why some people felt so strongly about it being discussed/shared. > And what does what you are doing look like to you? From your comment I thought you didn't understand the parent so I tried to help by trying to explain it differently. I was trying to help clear up possible confusion. Does what I posted look like advocacy to you? I honestly didn't mean it that way.
    - macspoofing 9y ago
      >I wasn't trying to put a position forward, only explain why some people felt so strongly about it being discussed/shared. I understand exactly what he's saying. I wasn't born yesterday. I reject the notion that policy is not up for debate if you're not the right gender or skin color. I reject the notion that if you don't have the right skin color or gender you cannot put forward good arguments for or against. >From your comment I thought you didn't understand the parent so I tried to help by trying to explain it differently. OP was simply patronizing when they wrote: "I've been there myself, it takes a lot of time and effort to understand the real impact of something that doesn't impact yourself". That you don't see how condescending, narrow-minded, and patronizing that kind of statement is, is your blind-spot.
  - ucaetano 9y ago
    > I know what he meant. No, you don't. By your extremely aggressive tone, I can see that not only you completely misunderstood my post, but also was offended by it. Not only that, you don't even seem to think that maybe you don't know, that there are different ways to voice and interpret messages. I'm not making an appeal to emotion, I'm explaining that perhaps you can't comprehend why people act in a certain manner because you're not in their place. That is normal, we all do it. It has nothing to do with gender or skin color, just with not being in the place of the other person. I even tried to make it very clear: > Also, please don't think that I'm judging you or saying that you're a bad person because of it. We all share the same difficulties, and that doesn't make us better or worse, just humans. But you just chose to ignore it and believe in your own truth. So not only you don't know what I meant, you intentionally ignored my clarification and decided to create your own reality. And I'm sure that no matter what I say, you'll continue to claim that I just mean to offend you. Well, if the cap fits, wear it.