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Germany is closer to Russia than France, and yet less "willing" to go to war. Japan with 11% is really amazing, and yet it's near real threats with China and N

by bambax 9y ago

Germany is closer to Russia than France, and yet less "willing" to go to war. Japan with 11% is really amazing, and yet it's near real threats with China and North Korea. It would seem, countries who remember what war is actually like, would rather not fight; that would explain the results of Japan, Germany, France, Spain, the UK. The only exception is Russia, who suffered immensely during WW2 and yet would apparently fight again? Or does it have something to do with age?

kofejnik 9y ago
Russian TV has operated in patriotic imperial brainwashing mode for the past 15 years (and their culture in general - for the last 300 years), so no surprise here.
- vetinari 9y ago
  Russia has been invaded every 80-100 years for the last 1000 years. I have understanding for them, it is already some 75 years since the last one.
  - kofejnik 9y ago
    Russia has waged dozens of aggressive wars during that period, including 2 since 2008
    - vetinari 9y ago
      Yes, sure. The first one was their UN peacekeeping units being attacked[1], and that second one was never proved, the only evidence is evidence by repetition, ala Goering. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Russo-Georgian_War#EU_Independent_Fact_Finding_Mission_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Russo-G...
      - kofejnik 9y ago
        oh really, "there were no Russian troops in Crimea, where's your proof", straight from Russian TV. Now tell us that Boeing wasn't shot by the paramilitaries backed, organized, armed and financed by Russia. edit: also, your nickname seems very fitting. You a Stalin fan?
        vetinari 9y ago
        Crimea is way more complicated case than "green muzhiks". You could start with Khrushchev and 1954. Or at least the 1992 referendum, which was ignored. And that Boeing? Really? The evidence for this claim is even worse than for Saddam's WMDs. You didn't even ask yourself cui bono?
e12e 9y ago
> Japan with 11% is really amazing, and yet it's near real threats with China and North Korea. And Russia. Japan was the first industrial country to win a war with Russia, so there's some history there as well as with the rest of the Pacific.
aqsalose 9y ago
Finland participated in the WW2, moreover, also on the side that lost the war.
- arethuza 9y ago
  But at the start both France and the UK actually considered sending troops to assist Finland against the Soviets - this was when the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was in place so the Soviets were effectively Nazi allies at that point.
  - vetinari 9y ago
    Almost all European countries had Molotov-Ribbentrop-like pact with Germany, including UK and Poland. MR-pact was just the last one; made after UK and France sabotaged Molotov's effort to make pact with them and after the Austrian Anschluss and breaking of Czechoslovakia. They wanted Germany to attack the USSR and not to be bound to help, just like they looked the other way after Poland was attacked later that year.
    - oblio 9y ago
      Any links for this? It's the first time I hear about it.
      - vetinari 9y ago
        For the Polish pact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_Non-Aggression_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_Non-Aggr... Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJwoygYdTmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJwoygYdTmY is an exchange between Tusk and Putin on the topic. I haven't found a better video. About the Molotov negotiation, it is in the book by Nikolai Starikov, Who set Hitler against Stalin?, (ISBN 978-5-496-00332-2). It is in Russian, unfortunately. Excerpts have been translated to English, the part I was talking about is here: https://orientalreview.org/2015/04/18/episode-15-poland-betrayed-v/ https://orientalreview.org/2015/04/18/episode-15-poland-betr...
YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 9y ago
Your insight doesn't seem to apply even to the small subset of countries you decided to check it on, which really makes it look more like your preconceived ideal rather than anything you read from this map, no? I think other explanations (including geographically induced ways of interpreting the question) are rather more likely.

by bambax 9y ago

kofejnik 9y ago

Russian TV has operated in patriotic imperial brainwashing mode for the past 15 years (and their culture in general - for the last 300 years), so no surprise here.

vetinari 9y ago
Russia has been invaded every 80-100 years for the last 1000 years. I have understanding for them, it is already some 75 years since the last one.
- kofejnik 9y ago
  Russia has waged dozens of aggressive wars during that period, including 2 since 2008
  - vetinari 9y ago
    Yes, sure. The first one was their UN peacekeeping units being attacked[1], and that second one was never proved, the only evidence is evidence by repetition, ala Goering. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Russo-Georgian_War#EU_Independent_Fact_Finding_Mission_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Russo-G...
    - kofejnik 9y ago
      oh really, "there were no Russian troops in Crimea, where's your proof", straight from Russian TV. Now tell us that Boeing wasn't shot by the paramilitaries backed, organized, armed and financed by Russia. edit: also, your nickname seems very fitting. You a Stalin fan?
      - vetinari 9y ago
        Crimea is way more complicated case than "green muzhiks". You could start with Khrushchev and 1954. Or at least the 1992 referendum, which was ignored. And that Boeing? Really? The evidence for this claim is even worse than for Saddam's WMDs. You didn't even ask yourself cui bono?

e12e 9y ago

> Japan with 11% is really amazing, and yet it's near real threats with China and North Korea. And Russia. Japan was the first industrial country to win a war with Russia, so there's some history there as well as with the rest of the Pacific.

aqsalose 9y ago

Finland participated in the WW2, moreover, also on the side that lost the war.

arethuza 9y ago
But at the start both France and the UK actually considered sending troops to assist Finland against the Soviets - this was when the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was in place so the Soviets were effectively Nazi allies at that point.
- vetinari 9y ago
  Almost all European countries had Molotov-Ribbentrop-like pact with Germany, including UK and Poland. MR-pact was just the last one; made after UK and France sabotaged Molotov's effort to make pact with them and after the Austrian Anschluss and breaking of Czechoslovakia. They wanted Germany to attack the USSR and not to be bound to help, just like they looked the other way after Poland was attacked later that year.
  - oblio 9y ago
    Any links for this? It's the first time I hear about it.
    - vetinari 9y ago
      For the Polish pact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_Non-Aggression_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_Non-Aggr... Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJwoygYdTmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJwoygYdTmY is an exchange between Tusk and Putin on the topic. I haven't found a better video. About the Molotov negotiation, it is in the book by Nikolai Starikov, Who set Hitler against Stalin?, (ISBN 978-5-496-00332-2). It is in Russian, unfortunately. Excerpts have been translated to English, the part I was talking about is here: https://orientalreview.org/2015/04/18/episode-15-poland-betrayed-v/ https://orientalreview.org/2015/04/18/episode-15-poland-betr...

YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 9y ago

Your insight doesn't seem to apply even to the small subset of countries you decided to check it on, which really makes it look more like your preconceived ideal rather than anything you read from this map, no? I think other explanations (including geographically induced ways of interpreting the question) are rather more likely.