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What? I said interesting question. Not a not interesting question. And which principle? The scenario? Yes, I believe the scenario is flawed. Not sure why you ar

What? I said interesting question. Not a not interesting question. And which principle? The scenario? Yes, I believe the scenario is flawed. Not sure why you are saying admitted. To be clearer, white privilege exists. Male privilege exists. That is a power dynamic over women and minorities, enjoyed by men and non-minorities. To deny those privileges exist increases the privilege. To deny that existing bias exists helps to increase the bias. To admit those privileges exist decreases the privilege. To admit that existing biases exist helps to decrease the bias. So, writing a manifesto (that admits white privilege) does not put white people into greater danger beneath those who enjoy the power dynamic over them (no one). But, writing a manifesto (that denies sexism) does put women into greater danger beneath those who enjoy the power dynamic over them (men). Is that clearer?

tomp 9y ago
> Male privilege exists. That is a power dynamic over women This doesn't necessarily follow, because insofar as male privilege exists, so does female privilege (such as no draft, "women and children first", the "women are wonderful " effect and the fact that women represent the majority of the voting base), so it's really hard to say one sex is more privileged than the other, rather than just privileged differently.
- tunesmith 9y ago
  Thanks for the comment, I intended it to implicitly come across that I was speaking about employment, where male privilege exceeds female privilege.
  - Inconel 9y ago
    Not to be dismissive of your comment, but I think the topic of privilege deserves more nuance than you are giving it. Privilege doesn't exist as a binary state, where some people enjoy privilege and others do not, we all enjoy some privilege, although obviously of varying degrees. Privilege doesn't stop just at men or women, white or non-white, there are numerous combinations of privilege that need to be taken into account. > where male privilege exceeds female privilege. I'm not sure I can categorically agree with this. While male privilege exists over women, I find it ludicrous to suggest that white women are less privileged overall than black men, despite black men benefiting from male privilege. I think many of the misunderstandings that occur when discussing privilege come about due to using only a few easily categorized traits in defining privileges, rather than a broader set that also include things like socio-economic conditions, health, upbringing, and a variety of personality or physical traits.
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- Dylan16807 9y ago
  > it's really hard to say one sex is more privileged than the other, rather than just privileged differently I don't think it's that hard. There are unfair privileges to either gender, but the male ones are vastly larger.
  - tomp 9y ago
    > but the male ones are vastly larger This kind of claim (regardless of which direction you're making the claim in) ony makes sense if you reduce "privilege" into a single dimension. Which I don't think you can.
    - Dylan16807 9y ago
      No it doesn't. 500-dimensional vectors have lengths.

tomp 9y ago

> Male privilege exists. That is a power dynamic over women This doesn't necessarily follow, because insofar as male privilege exists, so does female privilege (such as no draft, "women and children first", the "women are wonderful " effect and the fact that women represent the majority of the voting base), so it's really hard to say one sex is more privileged than the other, rather than just privileged differently.

tunesmith 9y ago
Thanks for the comment, I intended it to implicitly come across that I was speaking about employment, where male privilege exceeds female privilege.
- Inconel 9y ago
  Not to be dismissive of your comment, but I think the topic of privilege deserves more nuance than you are giving it. Privilege doesn't exist as a binary state, where some people enjoy privilege and others do not, we all enjoy some privilege, although obviously of varying degrees. Privilege doesn't stop just at men or women, white or non-white, there are numerous combinations of privilege that need to be taken into account. > where male privilege exceeds female privilege. I'm not sure I can categorically agree with this. While male privilege exists over women, I find it ludicrous to suggest that white women are less privileged overall than black men, despite black men benefiting from male privilege. I think many of the misunderstandings that occur when discussing privilege come about due to using only a few easily categorized traits in defining privileges, rather than a broader set that also include things like socio-economic conditions, health, upbringing, and a variety of personality or physical traits.
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Dylan16807 9y ago
> it's really hard to say one sex is more privileged than the other, rather than just privileged differently I don't think it's that hard. There are unfair privileges to either gender, but the male ones are vastly larger.
- tomp 9y ago
  > but the male ones are vastly larger This kind of claim (regardless of which direction you're making the claim in) ony makes sense if you reduce "privilege" into a single dimension. Which I don't think you can.
  - Dylan16807 9y ago
    No it doesn't. 500-dimensional vectors have lengths.