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Perhaps you can post exactly where he said that, because as far as I'm aware he said nothing of the sort.

tptacek 9y ago
He said Google has '[h]iring practices which can effectively lower the bar for “diversity” candidates by decreasing the false negative rate', created in part because "humans are generally biased towards protecting females".
- notgood 9y ago
  ...which is true and even google admits they do so to increase female count?
  - tptacek 9y ago
    I'm pretty sure Google does not in fact "admit they do [anything] to increase female count".
    - notgood 9y ago
      Oh they do, a lot: https://www.blog.google/topics/diversity/focusing-on-diversity30/ https://www.blog.google/topics/diversity/focusing-on-diversi... https://www.wsj.com/articles/tech-firms-borrow-football-play-to-increase-hiring-of-women-1474963562 https://www.wsj.com/articles/tech-firms-borrow-football-play... https://www.google.com/diversity/ https://www.google.com/diversity/ https://qz.com/604723/when-google-increased-paid-maternity-leave-the-rate-at-which-new-mothers-quit-dropped-50/ https://qz.com/604723/when-google-increased-paid-maternity-l... http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/29/technology/google-diversity-report/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/29/technology/google-diversity-...
  - ubernostrum 9y ago
    The claim made is that they "decreased the false negative rate". Google has long prided itself on rejecting large numbers of qualified candidates. Since decreasing the false-negative rate inherently means "hire a greater quantity of qualified candidates", I fail to see how the bar was lowered.
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- ctlby 9y ago
  The most direct reading of his claim is that they're hiring unqualified women. He would presumably be happy with a larger mix of female colleagues if he felt standards weren't being lowered.
  - ajross 9y ago
    Exactly. To wit: he thinks Google is hiring too many women. Yikes. Yeah, that'll get you fired, folks.
agentdrtran 9y ago
>Note that contrary to what a social constructionist would argue, research suggests that “greater nation-level gender equality leads to psychological dissimilarity in men’s and women’s personality traits.” Because as “society becomes more prosperous and more egalitarian, innate dispositional differences between men and women have more space to develop and the gap that exists between men and women in their personality becomes wider.” We need to stop assuming that gender gaps imply sexism. "the lack of women in tech is fine becuase that's just what happens when women, who are biologically worse at programming, don't go into tech"
- orangecat 9y ago
  research suggests that “greater nation-level gender equality leads to psychological dissimilarity in men’s and women’s personality traits.” That's a quote from this study: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=ZY8ZWRAAAAAJ&citation_for_view=ZY8ZWRAAAAAJ:UeHWp8X0CEIC https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&h.... You can argue that even in more egalitarian countries the differences are entirely due to social pressures; you can't say they don't exist. "the lack of women in tech is fine becuase that's just what happens when women, who are biologically worse at programming, don't go into tech" "biologically worse at programming" is a total fabrication. The accurate claim is "less interested", although I suppose that's not as effective for your Two Minutes Hate.
- glorkk 9y ago
  You can take any statement and rephrase so that it sounds horrible. This is just sophistry. That whole paragraph is saying that men and women, __as populations__ , have biological differences in psychology, temperament and interests. In prosperous societies, men and women naturally assume complementary, rather than overlapping, roles. > We need to stop assuming that gender gaps imply sexism. Do you disagree with this? And if so, why? "Facts don't care about your feelings".

He said Google has '[h]iring practices which can effectively lower the bar for “diversity” candidates by decreasing the false negative rate', created in part because "humans are generally biased towards protecting females".

notgood 9y ago
...which is true and even google admits they do so to increase female count?
- tptacek 9y ago
  I'm pretty sure Google does not in fact "admit they do [anything] to increase female count".
  - notgood 9y ago
    Oh they do, a lot: https://www.blog.google/topics/diversity/focusing-on-diversity30/ https://www.blog.google/topics/diversity/focusing-on-diversi... https://www.wsj.com/articles/tech-firms-borrow-football-play-to-increase-hiring-of-women-1474963562 https://www.wsj.com/articles/tech-firms-borrow-football-play... https://www.google.com/diversity/ https://www.google.com/diversity/ https://qz.com/604723/when-google-increased-paid-maternity-leave-the-rate-at-which-new-mothers-quit-dropped-50/ https://qz.com/604723/when-google-increased-paid-maternity-l... http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/29/technology/google-diversity-report/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/29/technology/google-diversity-...
- ubernostrum 9y ago
  The claim made is that they "decreased the false negative rate". Google has long prided itself on rejecting large numbers of qualified candidates. Since decreasing the false-negative rate inherently means "hire a greater quantity of qualified candidates", I fail to see how the bar was lowered.
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ctlby 9y ago
The most direct reading of his claim is that they're hiring unqualified women. He would presumably be happy with a larger mix of female colleagues if he felt standards weren't being lowered.
- ajross 9y ago
  Exactly. To wit: he thinks Google is hiring too many women. Yikes. Yeah, that'll get you fired, folks.

agentdrtran 9y ago

>Note that contrary to what a social constructionist would argue, research suggests that “greater nation-level gender equality leads to psychological dissimilarity in men’s and women’s personality traits.” Because as “society becomes more prosperous and more egalitarian, innate dispositional differences between men and women have more space to develop and the gap that exists between men and women in their personality becomes wider.” We need to stop assuming that gender gaps imply sexism. "the lack of women in tech is fine becuase that's just what happens when women, who are biologically worse at programming, don't go into tech"

orangecat 9y ago
research suggests that “greater nation-level gender equality leads to psychological dissimilarity in men’s and women’s personality traits.” That's a quote from this study: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=ZY8ZWRAAAAAJ&citation_for_view=ZY8ZWRAAAAAJ:UeHWp8X0CEIC https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&h.... You can argue that even in more egalitarian countries the differences are entirely due to social pressures; you can't say they don't exist. "the lack of women in tech is fine becuase that's just what happens when women, who are biologically worse at programming, don't go into tech" "biologically worse at programming" is a total fabrication. The accurate claim is "less interested", although I suppose that's not as effective for your Two Minutes Hate.
glorkk 9y ago
You can take any statement and rephrase so that it sounds horrible. This is just sophistry. That whole paragraph is saying that men and women, __as populations__ , have biological differences in psychology, temperament and interests. In prosperous societies, men and women naturally assume complementary, rather than overlapping, roles. > We need to stop assuming that gender gaps imply sexism. Do you disagree with this? And if so, why? "Facts don't care about your feelings".