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I honestly find it very easy to not use any of their services. They all have quality competitors.

by mattferderer 9y ago

kawfey 9y ago
The majority of humans don't find it so easy or necessary.
- mattferderer 9y ago
  I agree. As stated in the article the best thing many of these companies do is make their product easier to use. If they actually wanted to use a different service though, do you think they would find it hard?
- adventured 9y ago
  > The majority of humans don't find it so easy or necessary. Minority, in fact. You're wildly exaggerating, as is the article. Half of Facebook's monthly actives barely use the core social network service. That leaves a billion people or so. There are 7.x billion people on the planet. Your majority premise just collapsed. Google has about 1/3 of global adults as users, with varying frequency. Gmail as an example, has a small share of global email. Again, minority. Amazon is still a trivial ecommerce presence outside of the US, as a whole and in relation to the number of adults shopping on their service versus the total number of people on earth. And Apple? Their reach, like the others, is dramatically less than the "majority of humans." Apple reaches a billion people.
  - bllguo 9y ago
    Please. Don't be a pedant, you're not advancing any meaningful points. It should be obvious that in the context of this discussion, we are talking about the developed Western world.
lkiernan 9y ago
I'm overlooking the easy "It's easy for me so it's easy for everyone" because I'm interested what phone you use?
- idlewords 9y ago
  He hewed it himself out of the finest hardwoods.
  - mattferderer 9y ago
    Everyone knows you use soft woods for phones.
    - moccachino 9y ago
      Only for the software, not for the hardware, duh!
      - idlewords 9y ago
        This guy phones
- ionised 9y ago
  You can use an Android phone without a Google account or any Google apps. You can even install an open-source replacement for the core Play Services Framework that many non-Google apps seem to require.
nickrio 9y ago
But, let's face it, we're surrounded by garden walls now days. Take phone as example: You almost only have two main options for a smart phone OS here: iOS (+ Apple) and Android (+ Google).
- Nerdfest 9y ago
  Android can be used without any connection to Google at all. You have a more limited choice of software (using F-Droid, etc), but it's quite easy to do.
  - mattferderer 9y ago
    I'm stuck on an iPhone because someone else pays for it. I haven't ever cared to look at the background data being used but I would say on the app side I rarely use a stock Apple app.
pipermerriam 9y ago
Please provide your recommendations. I've been prying myself off of their services but currently, I've not found a solid replacement for: Facebook: nothing else has the network effect. Google Drive: online documents are really convenient Google Voice: what else has seamless integration with either android or ios. Amazon: Buying household items like toilet paper, dishwasher detergent, etc, saves me a ton of time.
- mattferderer 9y ago
  Facebook: Twitter is a decent competitor for network effects. I've moved my photo sharing to Google Photos as it trumps anything Facebook offers. For me, the biggest Facebook benefit is sharing photos with family on Facebook. Everything else on there is pretty much noise or garbage you can find on any other site. The one recent thing that Facebook does better than anyone that I get value out of are "local events". Google Drive: Dropbox, Box, OneDrive.... Google Voice: Depends what you're using it to do. Amazon & Microsoft have apps you can use that do similar tasks. Whichever you use does require access to a lot of personal data to be useful though, no matter what company you pick. Amazon: Target, Walmart, Jet, etc... Lots of competition here. Amazon's online experience is typically better but their is plenty of competition & they often have cheaper prices. FYI in case any Target person reads this. Your site is terrible & full of bugs.
  - yflu 9y ago
    Suggesting Facebook and Google and Amazon as serious replacements for Facebook and Google and Amazon really drives the point home.
    - mattferderer 9y ago
      Nicely said. I did do that for 1.5 out of the 4. While I didn't state it well, my argument was meant to be for replacing one or two of them, not all of them. Voice is probably the hardest one to replace all 4 of them on. For Facebook's network effects, I mentioned Twitter which is not one of the four. I did mention that my main use I've replaced with Google Photos. I did that because it's free & great. If I hated Google, I could use several paid services that offer similar benefits. Snapchat is becoming more popular with the older people I know. Instagram was great before getting bought out by Facebook so we can't count them now. I think maybe one point that needs to be made, is if you want a "free service" you must be willing to let your data be sold. That is the big problem that many people have with a lot of the above free services.

I honestly find it very easy to not use any of their services. They all have quality competitors.

kawfey 9y ago

The majority of humans don't find it so easy or necessary.

mattferderer 9y ago
I agree. As stated in the article the best thing many of these companies do is make their product easier to use. If they actually wanted to use a different service though, do you think they would find it hard?
adventured 9y ago
> The majority of humans don't find it so easy or necessary. Minority, in fact. You're wildly exaggerating, as is the article. Half of Facebook's monthly actives barely use the core social network service. That leaves a billion people or so. There are 7.x billion people on the planet. Your majority premise just collapsed. Google has about 1/3 of global adults as users, with varying frequency. Gmail as an example, has a small share of global email. Again, minority. Amazon is still a trivial ecommerce presence outside of the US, as a whole and in relation to the number of adults shopping on their service versus the total number of people on earth. And Apple? Their reach, like the others, is dramatically less than the "majority of humans." Apple reaches a billion people.
- bllguo 9y ago
  Please. Don't be a pedant, you're not advancing any meaningful points. It should be obvious that in the context of this discussion, we are talking about the developed Western world.

lkiernan 9y ago

I'm overlooking the easy "It's easy for me so it's easy for everyone" because I'm interested what phone you use?

idlewords 9y ago
He hewed it himself out of the finest hardwoods.
- mattferderer 9y ago
  Everyone knows you use soft woods for phones.
  - moccachino 9y ago
    Only for the software, not for the hardware, duh!
    - idlewords 9y ago
      This guy phones
ionised 9y ago
You can use an Android phone without a Google account or any Google apps. You can even install an open-source replacement for the core Play Services Framework that many non-Google apps seem to require.

nickrio 9y ago

But, let's face it, we're surrounded by garden walls now days. Take phone as example: You almost only have two main options for a smart phone OS here: iOS (+ Apple) and Android (+ Google).

Nerdfest 9y ago
Android can be used without any connection to Google at all. You have a more limited choice of software (using F-Droid, etc), but it's quite easy to do.
- mattferderer 9y ago
  I'm stuck on an iPhone because someone else pays for it. I haven't ever cared to look at the background data being used but I would say on the app side I rarely use a stock Apple app.

pipermerriam 9y ago

Please provide your recommendations. I've been prying myself off of their services but currently, I've not found a solid replacement for: Facebook: nothing else has the network effect. Google Drive: online documents are really convenient Google Voice: what else has seamless integration with either android or ios. Amazon: Buying household items like toilet paper, dishwasher detergent, etc, saves me a ton of time.

mattferderer 9y ago
Facebook: Twitter is a decent competitor for network effects. I've moved my photo sharing to Google Photos as it trumps anything Facebook offers. For me, the biggest Facebook benefit is sharing photos with family on Facebook. Everything else on there is pretty much noise or garbage you can find on any other site. The one recent thing that Facebook does better than anyone that I get value out of are "local events". Google Drive: Dropbox, Box, OneDrive.... Google Voice: Depends what you're using it to do. Amazon & Microsoft have apps you can use that do similar tasks. Whichever you use does require access to a lot of personal data to be useful though, no matter what company you pick. Amazon: Target, Walmart, Jet, etc... Lots of competition here. Amazon's online experience is typically better but their is plenty of competition & they often have cheaper prices. FYI in case any Target person reads this. Your site is terrible & full of bugs.
- yflu 9y ago
  Suggesting Facebook and Google and Amazon as serious replacements for Facebook and Google and Amazon really drives the point home.
  - mattferderer 9y ago
    Nicely said. I did do that for 1.5 out of the 4. While I didn't state it well, my argument was meant to be for replacing one or two of them, not all of them. Voice is probably the hardest one to replace all 4 of them on. For Facebook's network effects, I mentioned Twitter which is not one of the four. I did mention that my main use I've replaced with Google Photos. I did that because it's free & great. If I hated Google, I could use several paid services that offer similar benefits. Snapchat is becoming more popular with the older people I know. Instagram was great before getting bought out by Facebook so we can't count them now. I think maybe one point that needs to be made, is if you want a "free service" you must be willing to let your data be sold. That is the big problem that many people have with a lot of the above free services.