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> We need some way to get out of the disinformation bubble There is even something that came a long time before IT and the resulting disinformation bubble: Ve

> We need some way to get out of the disinformation bubble There is even something that came a long time before IT and the resulting disinformation bubble: Very unhealthy and materialistic values, deeply embedded in our current culture. I.e., we are constantly being told that being rich, being popular and to dominate others is a very desirable target.

viraptor 9y ago
Is it really because we're told that? I mean, in very practical terms, being rich and popular (within reason) will give you better life in almost every way. Mainly because it allows you to choose what kind of life you want to lead. Also in case of any life accidents, having contacts and money, you can make lots of them easier to deal with. Dominating others is the only one I'm not sure of. On a global scale, I think that's a bad situation. On a family scale, being rich is close to the healthiest thing you can do.
- ZenoArrow 9y ago
  > "On a family scale, being rich is close to the healthiest thing you can do." I would say being self-reliant is the 'healthiest' thing you can do. Being rich is a type of self-reliance, but it comes with its downsides. The biggest one is probably isolation. A disconnection from the world around you. Perhaps the world around you is 'unhealthy' so it makes some sense to be disconnected from it, but generally it's a downside.
  - viraptor 9y ago
    That's a deeper / secondary result. I was thinking in terms of basic needs. Self-reliance is good, but if you live in a good area, close to a good hospital where you don't wait and don't need to worry that calling an ambulance is a debt risk, your survival chance is much higher. You can't realistically provide this yourself / in small community. Even basic human events like a childbirth: if everything goes well - great, if you get PPH - you've potentially got minutes before bleeding out.
    - ZenoArrow 9y ago
      That's why you should support public health services. That way everyone in your community can benefit from the services that you can't provide for yourself. Self-reliance is an ideal rather than the be-all end-all.
api 9y ago
Looking at human history I do not this this is new.

viraptor 9y ago

Is it really because we're told that? I mean, in very practical terms, being rich and popular (within reason) will give you better life in almost every way. Mainly because it allows you to choose what kind of life you want to lead. Also in case of any life accidents, having contacts and money, you can make lots of them easier to deal with. Dominating others is the only one I'm not sure of. On a global scale, I think that's a bad situation. On a family scale, being rich is close to the healthiest thing you can do.

ZenoArrow 9y ago
> "On a family scale, being rich is close to the healthiest thing you can do." I would say being self-reliant is the 'healthiest' thing you can do. Being rich is a type of self-reliance, but it comes with its downsides. The biggest one is probably isolation. A disconnection from the world around you. Perhaps the world around you is 'unhealthy' so it makes some sense to be disconnected from it, but generally it's a downside.
- viraptor 9y ago
  That's a deeper / secondary result. I was thinking in terms of basic needs. Self-reliance is good, but if you live in a good area, close to a good hospital where you don't wait and don't need to worry that calling an ambulance is a debt risk, your survival chance is much higher. You can't realistically provide this yourself / in small community. Even basic human events like a childbirth: if everything goes well - great, if you get PPH - you've potentially got minutes before bleeding out.
  - ZenoArrow 9y ago
    That's why you should support public health services. That way everyone in your community can benefit from the services that you can't provide for yourself. Self-reliance is an ideal rather than the be-all end-all.

api 9y ago

Looking at human history I do not this this is new.