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I'm a lone wolf in the Java space, and I must say that this one really hits home. I've been dealing with so many Java devs who are unwilling to approach anythin

I'm a lone wolf in the Java space, and I must say that this one really hits home. I've been dealing with so many Java devs who are unwilling to approach anything else that I am sick and tired of their whining! These people are even moaning about JavaScript. I mean - Come On! (Job style)

Stratoscope 9y ago
It's not just Java either. I worked with one OSX/iOS dev who knew Objective-C inside and out, but knew no other languages and didn't want to learn any others, because after all you can do anything in Objective-C. I asked him what he used if he just wanted to write a quick little script. "Objective-C." There's something to be said for his kind of mastery of a single language, but it was different from the multilingual culture I'm used to. I wonder if he's using Swift now...
neonhomer 9y ago
I upvoted you solely on the "Come On!"
dajohnson89 9y ago
Are Javascript and Java really that similar? I know plenty of front-end Javascript devs who are pretty uncomfortable with Java development.
- Guthur 9y ago
  Other than some syntax similarity, no
- jogjayr 9y ago
  Most of the code I've written in my career is JS/TS, with Java and Python probably tied for second. I'll admit to not liking Java but it's got nothing to do with not wanting to learn a new language. Most Java code is extremely verbose, with tons of boilerplate for doing simple things, like copying props from one object to another.
sidlls 9y ago
I primarily use Python, C++ and Rust these days and I would certainly moan about having to pick up JavaScript.
- sitkack 9y ago
  Funnily enough, the list of complaints was almost a perfect mirror of C++ dev complaining about Rust.
  - sidlls 9y ago
    That doesn't even make sense. There is absolutely no parallel in going from Java to JavaScript with going from C++ to Rust.
- celim307 9y ago
  When have you used it last? The ecosystem around it sucks but the language itself is not too bad, es6 has made the syntax pretty bearable
  - bsder 9y ago
    > The ecosystem around it sucks but the language itself is not too bad The problem is that the ecosystem is what matters nowadays. A language can suck donkey balls and win as long as it has a robust ecosystem (see: VB6, PHP, etc.) Python and Rust have phenomenal ecosystems. I have no clue about the C++ ecosystem nowadays.
  - jackmott 9y ago
    ugh
  - abiox 9y ago
    undefined is not a function!
  - harrygeez 9y ago
    I just started using it recently and while writing in Babel/ES6 is nice, figuring out which framework or libraries to use (React vs Web Components and React vs Vue vs Polymer vs Angular vs...), sass or less, to redux or not, setting up webpack is definitely not an enjoyable experience. The beauty of many other languages is it doesn't usually involve so many decisions. There's usually an undisputed better library, a recommended setup, but js ecosystem now has so many options that it only leads to decision fatigue.
cprayingmantis 9y ago
Wow this really makes me grateful for the team I work on. This past 4 months we had to build some stuff that was off of our usual platform using Python and none of us had any real world experience with python, but we all buckled down and became quite proficient. None of us really complained (ok we did complain some about the import system but other than that we were good) and we were able ship a great first pass at the problem quickly. I guess curmudgeon devs are just curmudgeon devs.

Stratoscope 9y ago

It's not just Java either. I worked with one OSX/iOS dev who knew Objective-C inside and out, but knew no other languages and didn't want to learn any others, because after all you can do anything in Objective-C. I asked him what he used if he just wanted to write a quick little script. "Objective-C." There's something to be said for his kind of mastery of a single language, but it was different from the multilingual culture I'm used to. I wonder if he's using Swift now...

neonhomer 9y ago

I upvoted you solely on the "Come On!"

dajohnson89 9y ago

Are Javascript and Java really that similar? I know plenty of front-end Javascript devs who are pretty uncomfortable with Java development.

Guthur 9y ago
Other than some syntax similarity, no
jogjayr 9y ago
Most of the code I've written in my career is JS/TS, with Java and Python probably tied for second. I'll admit to not liking Java but it's got nothing to do with not wanting to learn a new language. Most Java code is extremely verbose, with tons of boilerplate for doing simple things, like copying props from one object to another.

sidlls 9y ago

I primarily use Python, C++ and Rust these days and I would certainly moan about having to pick up JavaScript.

sitkack 9y ago
Funnily enough, the list of complaints was almost a perfect mirror of C++ dev complaining about Rust.
- sidlls 9y ago
  That doesn't even make sense. There is absolutely no parallel in going from Java to JavaScript with going from C++ to Rust.
celim307 9y ago
When have you used it last? The ecosystem around it sucks but the language itself is not too bad, es6 has made the syntax pretty bearable
- bsder 9y ago
  > The ecosystem around it sucks but the language itself is not too bad The problem is that the ecosystem is what matters nowadays. A language can suck donkey balls and win as long as it has a robust ecosystem (see: VB6, PHP, etc.) Python and Rust have phenomenal ecosystems. I have no clue about the C++ ecosystem nowadays.
- jackmott 9y ago
  ugh
- abiox 9y ago
  undefined is not a function!
- harrygeez 9y ago
  I just started using it recently and while writing in Babel/ES6 is nice, figuring out which framework or libraries to use (React vs Web Components and React vs Vue vs Polymer vs Angular vs...), sass or less, to redux or not, setting up webpack is definitely not an enjoyable experience. The beauty of many other languages is it doesn't usually involve so many decisions. There's usually an undisputed better library, a recommended setup, but js ecosystem now has so many options that it only leads to decision fatigue.

cprayingmantis 9y ago

Wow this really makes me grateful for the team I work on. This past 4 months we had to build some stuff that was off of our usual platform using Python and none of us had any real world experience with python, but we all buckled down and became quite proficient. None of us really complained (ok we did complain some about the import system but other than that we were good) and we were able ship a great first pass at the problem quickly. I guess curmudgeon devs are just curmudgeon devs.