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My hukou is registered to the Jing'an district in Shanghai and I have been in the "system" for decades. ;) You basically got misled by what you was told. To ju

My hukou is registered to the Jing'an district in Shanghai and I have been in the "system" for decades. ;) You basically got misled by what you was told. To just name one simple example - rural hukou is better because every single one of those households was recently given land for FREE. CCP confirmed a few years back that the land given to those families back in the 70s/80s will permanently stay under the name of the current owning family without any further tax/levy. Next time when someone complains about the unfair rural hukou treatment, please don't forget to ask them how much land was given to them for free. Those living in the cities (e.g. me) never ever got that stuff. I'd happily trade my non-rural hukou for a rural one to get my fair share of those free rural land. Be prepared when they explain to you about nonsense stuff like "oh, land is owned by the country, we were just given permanent right to use the land tax free".

seanmcdirmid 9y ago
> To just name one simple example - rural hukou is better because every single one of those households was recently given land for FREE. I know that, and I also know that it gives kids access to substandard education in toufu schools along with requiring higher gaokao scores to get into urban universities, the only ones in China that don't suck. Many of these kids are left at home with their grandparents because their parents have gone off to the cities to work. They maybe see their parents once a year during Chinese New Years. > Next time when someone complains about the unfair rural hukou treatment, please don't forget to ask them how much land was given to them for free. Nor can they ever sell this land and move to the cities unless the government explicitly compensates them for confiscation. They can't even use the land as collateral for a bank loan to upgrade their farming infrastructure. They would basically be treated as serfs if they didn't become migrant workers in the cities. > I'd happily trade my non-rural hukou for a rural one to get my fair share of those free rural land. You have Shanghai hukou and you'd trade it in for rural hukou just for a few acres of land that you have to farm and can't sell? I'm not sure if you are being serious here, I'm tempted to post it on WeChat for laughs. > Be prepared when they explain to you about nonsense stuff like "oh, land is owned by the country, we were just given permanent right to use the land tax free". See above.
- dis-sys 9y ago
  > along with requiring higher gaokao scores to get into urban universities Students from the same province, rural or urban, subject to the same standard. the real gap is between different provinces, e.g. urban students from province X living a modem fancy city life can still be at disadvantage compared to students from the rural part of Beijing living their boring village life. Note that the gap between different provinces have been there for hundreds of years[1]. > Nor can they ever sell this land and move to the cities unless the government explicitly compensates them for confiscation. They can't even use the land as collateral for a bank loan to upgrade their farming infrastructure. They would basically be treated as serfs if they didn't become migrant workers in the cities. Serfs? You mean they were given the land for free and they are allowed/encouraged to rent out the land to generate an income, this is now the new definition of serfs? Maybe the government who gave them the land should issue an apology and compensation to all those received such free land? [1] https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%97%E5%8C%97%E6%A6%9C%E6%A1%88 https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%97%E5%8C%97%E6%A6%9C%E6...

seanmcdirmid 9y ago

> To just name one simple example - rural hukou is better because every single one of those households was recently given land for FREE. I know that, and I also know that it gives kids access to substandard education in toufu schools along with requiring higher gaokao scores to get into urban universities, the only ones in China that don't suck. Many of these kids are left at home with their grandparents because their parents have gone off to the cities to work. They maybe see their parents once a year during Chinese New Years. > Next time when someone complains about the unfair rural hukou treatment, please don't forget to ask them how much land was given to them for free. Nor can they ever sell this land and move to the cities unless the government explicitly compensates them for confiscation. They can't even use the land as collateral for a bank loan to upgrade their farming infrastructure. They would basically be treated as serfs if they didn't become migrant workers in the cities. > I'd happily trade my non-rural hukou for a rural one to get my fair share of those free rural land. You have Shanghai hukou and you'd trade it in for rural hukou just for a few acres of land that you have to farm and can't sell? I'm not sure if you are being serious here, I'm tempted to post it on WeChat for laughs. > Be prepared when they explain to you about nonsense stuff like "oh, land is owned by the country, we were just given permanent right to use the land tax free". See above.

dis-sys 9y ago
> along with requiring higher gaokao scores to get into urban universities Students from the same province, rural or urban, subject to the same standard. the real gap is between different provinces, e.g. urban students from province X living a modem fancy city life can still be at disadvantage compared to students from the rural part of Beijing living their boring village life. Note that the gap between different provinces have been there for hundreds of years[1]. > Nor can they ever sell this land and move to the cities unless the government explicitly compensates them for confiscation. They can't even use the land as collateral for a bank loan to upgrade their farming infrastructure. They would basically be treated as serfs if they didn't become migrant workers in the cities. Serfs? You mean they were given the land for free and they are allowed/encouraged to rent out the land to generate an income, this is now the new definition of serfs? Maybe the government who gave them the land should issue an apology and compensation to all those received such free land? [1] https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%97%E5%8C%97%E6%A6%9C%E6%A1%88 https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%97%E5%8C%97%E6%A6%9C%E6...