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And how much lead is OK in drinking water?

by IgorPartola 9y ago

snarfy 9y ago
The water utility is anything but a free market. It's not a very good analogy.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  It isn't a free market for a reason.
- MBCook 9y ago
  Given how addictive nicotine is does the free market even work? Isn't the pressure the addicts feel to get more nicotine a HUGE external force on the market that may distort it until it doesn't work? After all cigarettes didn't become healthier once the dangers were know (long ago). The government had to step in. To say nothing of tobacco companies acting like a cartel.
  - Consultant32452 9y ago
    The most deadly addictive substance on Earth is sugar, it kills far more than nicotine could ever hope to. But for some reason the FDA doesn't care to restrict everyone's sugar intake. As far as I'm concerned all we needed was appropriate tort reform which would allow people who get cancer to sue tobacco companies for damages (before the warnings).
  - greenshackle2 9y ago
    Nicotine is not super highly addictive, as far as drugs go. Tobacco smoke is. It has MAOIs (addictive) and possibly other drugs.
malchow 9y ago
Nictotine isn't so bad, actually.[1] You seem like a science denier. Next thing we know you'll be telling us the earth won't burn to a crisp from the poisonous gas known as CO2. [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-bad/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-b...
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- frenchy 9y ago
  Come on, Nicotine and CO2 aren't even remotely close to the same sort of thing. It's quite true that nicotine is only responsible for a small part of the (direct) harm of cigarettes, but nicotine has a lot of bad effects that the linked article doesn't mention. A big one for young women are the adverse effects on fetal development. Because of addictivness of the drug, many pregnant mothers are unable to stop nicotine consumption during their pregancy. It's quite likely that there are useful applications of nicotine (even botox has uses!), but that doesn't mean the drug is safe for general use.
Clubber 9y ago
That's is a very disingenuous response. I know most people have been conditioned to hate smokers over the last 20 years, but don't by obtuse about it.

And how much lead is OK in drinking water?

snarfy 9y ago

The water utility is anything but a free market. It's not a very good analogy.

TeMPOraL 9y ago
It isn't a free market for a reason.
MBCook 9y ago
Given how addictive nicotine is does the free market even work? Isn't the pressure the addicts feel to get more nicotine a HUGE external force on the market that may distort it until it doesn't work? After all cigarettes didn't become healthier once the dangers were know (long ago). The government had to step in. To say nothing of tobacco companies acting like a cartel.
- Consultant32452 9y ago
  The most deadly addictive substance on Earth is sugar, it kills far more than nicotine could ever hope to. But for some reason the FDA doesn't care to restrict everyone's sugar intake. As far as I'm concerned all we needed was appropriate tort reform which would allow people who get cancer to sue tobacco companies for damages (before the warnings).
- greenshackle2 9y ago
  Nicotine is not super highly addictive, as far as drugs go. Tobacco smoke is. It has MAOIs (addictive) and possibly other drugs.

malchow 9y ago

Nictotine isn't so bad, actually.[1] You seem like a science denier. Next thing we know you'll be telling us the earth won't burn to a crisp from the poisonous gas known as CO2. [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-bad/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-b...

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frenchy 9y ago
Come on, Nicotine and CO2 aren't even remotely close to the same sort of thing. It's quite true that nicotine is only responsible for a small part of the (direct) harm of cigarettes, but nicotine has a lot of bad effects that the linked article doesn't mention. A big one for young women are the adverse effects on fetal development. Because of addictivness of the drug, many pregnant mothers are unable to stop nicotine consumption during their pregancy. It's quite likely that there are useful applications of nicotine (even botox has uses!), but that doesn't mean the drug is safe for general use.

Clubber 9y ago

That's is a very disingenuous response. I know most people have been conditioned to hate smokers over the last 20 years, but don't by obtuse about it.