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There's nothing wrong with small villages 7 miles from a major city or even a capital city, if the principal city is built properly. If you walk 7 miles from t

There's nothing wrong with small villages 7 miles from a major city or even a capital city, if the principal city is built properly. If you walk 7 miles from the center of Zurich, Switzerland you'll probably find yourself in the middle of a vineyard or pasture.

aphextron 9y ago
Zurich is not located on a 7 mile wide peninsula.
- glibgil 9y ago
  This is some strange SF manifest destiny argument
greglindahl 9y ago
Your statement appears to have nothing to do with the area that Brisbane, CA is located in.
- getemback 9y ago
  I was just objecting to the idea that a small town was inappropriate in this context. With a suitable urban form there's no reason why you couldn't take the entire population of Brisbane and put them all on 640 acres, with 80% open space. But Brisbane, California is not a "small town" it's a disgusting example of exurban sprawl. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brisbane,+CA/@37.679201,-122.330704,3a,78.3y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1shttps:%2F%2Fthumbs.trulia-cdn.com%2Fpictures%2Fthumbs_6%2Fps.102%2Fe%2F7%2F5%2Fd%2Fpicture-uh%3D9c9ef53f4781e89553177368d022-ps%3De75d7f71be33c23a4e3456941b73ffa7-142-Elderberry-Ln-Brisbane-CA-94005.jpg!2e7!3e27!6s%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fproxy%2FjFOwihIPa-3H8QgXCGQ-ml2v3OklBa9hKVt3vmtj1YKCdX7sXcJmtp5tXnET_ujA_xFhQZl_IYdtZkrQZ2sh6wI0WGNMQjDnXoM-5_fMEFuHsctScZjCUljHrMmoniDsXhgA0YrAwUgBSS7q-Pif_R1prKxUtAs%3Dw159-h106-k-no!7i1440!8i960!4m5!3m4!1s0x808f78d8f2a30531:0xff55e02fce53ae30!8m2!3d37.6807661!4d-122.3999715 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brisbane,+CA/@37.679201,-1...
  - vecinu 9y ago
    If you look at your link, you will see the address is (142 Elderberry Ln, Brisbane, CA 94005). Looking at the map (https://goo.gl/maps/7kvttaK8z7F2 https://goo.gl/maps/7kvttaK8z7F2), it's not even in Brisbane proper, so I think you're wrong about your assessment. I have been to Brisbane, the number of large McMansions is very tiny.
    - getemback 9y ago
      This one is. It almost seems designed to trick a machine learning classifier into classifying it as a warehouse or something. Point it the existing built environment of Brisbane, CA is not worth preserving. Its car-dependent nature is a menace to the region. https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6916572,-122.4087356,3a,90y,158.86h,83.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sq3KQrB3PRqpeBO0i7a38lQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dq3KQrB3PRqpeBO0i7a38lQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D167.12732%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6916572,-122.4087356,3a,90y,...
      - vecinu 9y ago
        Your link still points to a house outside of Brisbane proper... how transit efficient is San Francisco outside of downtown? BART doesn't reach most of SF, MUNI is abysmal and buses...well, Brisbane has buses too. I think your assessment is a bit heavy handed considering how bad public transit is in the area in general.
        getemback 9y ago
        You seem to be defining "Brisbane proper" as the area between San Francisco Ave. and Firth Park. But Brisbane is much more extensive. The majority of its land area is taken up by empty land, single-story material handling facilities, and ludicrous sprawl at "The Ridge".
      - rbanffy 9y ago
        I wonder how many self-driving cars live in that house...
- drspacemonkey 9y ago
  I think that was part of the point. IE: "if the principal city is built properly" implies the principal city isn't built properly.
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    Oh, that makes sense. Instead of talking about what we could actually do -- build high-density by an existing and underused transit hub -- let's complain about the way the entire Bay Area is laid out!
vecinu 9y ago
Brisbane is 6.5 miles from downtown SF (https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=distance+downtown+san+francisco+to+Brisbane,+CA https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=distance+downtown+san+...) The entire peninsula is tiny, it's not fair to compare it to Zurich.
microtherion 9y ago
You can find both grazing cows and vineyards WITHIN the city limits of Zurich, less than 3 miles from the center.

aphextron 9y ago

Zurich is not located on a 7 mile wide peninsula.

glibgil 9y ago
This is some strange SF manifest destiny argument

greglindahl 9y ago

Your statement appears to have nothing to do with the area that Brisbane, CA is located in.

getemback 9y ago
I was just objecting to the idea that a small town was inappropriate in this context. With a suitable urban form there's no reason why you couldn't take the entire population of Brisbane and put them all on 640 acres, with 80% open space. But Brisbane, California is not a "small town" it's a disgusting example of exurban sprawl. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brisbane,+CA/@37.679201,-122.330704,3a,78.3y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1shttps:%2F%2Fthumbs.trulia-cdn.com%2Fpictures%2Fthumbs_6%2Fps.102%2Fe%2F7%2F5%2Fd%2Fpicture-uh%3D9c9ef53f4781e89553177368d022-ps%3De75d7f71be33c23a4e3456941b73ffa7-142-Elderberry-Ln-Brisbane-CA-94005.jpg!2e7!3e27!6s%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fproxy%2FjFOwihIPa-3H8QgXCGQ-ml2v3OklBa9hKVt3vmtj1YKCdX7sXcJmtp5tXnET_ujA_xFhQZl_IYdtZkrQZ2sh6wI0WGNMQjDnXoM-5_fMEFuHsctScZjCUljHrMmoniDsXhgA0YrAwUgBSS7q-Pif_R1prKxUtAs%3Dw159-h106-k-no!7i1440!8i960!4m5!3m4!1s0x808f78d8f2a30531:0xff55e02fce53ae30!8m2!3d37.6807661!4d-122.3999715 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brisbane,+CA/@37.679201,-1...
- vecinu 9y ago
  If you look at your link, you will see the address is (142 Elderberry Ln, Brisbane, CA 94005). Looking at the map (https://goo.gl/maps/7kvttaK8z7F2 https://goo.gl/maps/7kvttaK8z7F2), it's not even in Brisbane proper, so I think you're wrong about your assessment. I have been to Brisbane, the number of large McMansions is very tiny.
  - getemback 9y ago
    This one is. It almost seems designed to trick a machine learning classifier into classifying it as a warehouse or something. Point it the existing built environment of Brisbane, CA is not worth preserving. Its car-dependent nature is a menace to the region. https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6916572,-122.4087356,3a,90y,158.86h,83.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sq3KQrB3PRqpeBO0i7a38lQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dq3KQrB3PRqpeBO0i7a38lQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D167.12732%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6916572,-122.4087356,3a,90y,...
    - vecinu 9y ago
      Your link still points to a house outside of Brisbane proper... how transit efficient is San Francisco outside of downtown? BART doesn't reach most of SF, MUNI is abysmal and buses...well, Brisbane has buses too. I think your assessment is a bit heavy handed considering how bad public transit is in the area in general.
      - getemback 9y ago
        You seem to be defining "Brisbane proper" as the area between San Francisco Ave. and Firth Park. But Brisbane is much more extensive. The majority of its land area is taken up by empty land, single-story material handling facilities, and ludicrous sprawl at "The Ridge".
    - rbanffy 9y ago
      I wonder how many self-driving cars live in that house...
drspacemonkey 9y ago
I think that was part of the point. IE: "if the principal city is built properly" implies the principal city isn't built properly.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  Oh, that makes sense. Instead of talking about what we could actually do -- build high-density by an existing and underused transit hub -- let's complain about the way the entire Bay Area is laid out!

vecinu 9y ago

Brisbane is 6.5 miles from downtown SF (https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=distance+downtown+san+francisco+to+Brisbane,+CA https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=distance+downtown+san+...) The entire peninsula is tiny, it's not fair to compare it to Zurich.

microtherion 9y ago

You can find both grazing cows and vineyards WITHIN the city limits of Zurich, less than 3 miles from the center.