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Perhaps these lipstick-wearing women were raised in a social environment where a previously supernormal stimulus (heightened lip pigmentation/smoothed glossy li

Perhaps these lipstick-wearing women were raised in a social environment where a previously supernormal stimulus (heightened lip pigmentation/smoothed glossy lip surface) is now expected as a normal aspect of professional presentation in many contexts, and they do not wish to be asked "are you feeling well?" on a regular basis.

Dude2018 9y ago
Did not stop from fighting other things considered "normal". Truth is getting hit vs getting harassed is based on hotness of the guy.
prawn 9y ago
"are you feeling well?" I've witnessed this: (concerned) Is x OK? Huh? Is she upset? She looks like she's been crying. (realising) No, she's just not wearing any makeup. You normally see her with makeup on.
- jlebrech 9y ago
  that's where not giving a shit comes into play. you don't accidentally sexism.
  - vertex-four 9y ago
    Sure you do. If you behave to the detriment of one gender but not another, that's sexism. You then say "sorry, didn't mean that", and change your behaviour now that you know.
    - jlebrech 9y ago
      sure, assuming someone has been crying is dumb. noticing a change of appearance is something women want you to do when it's a positive thing ie. new haircut. but if it's negative it's probably best to reword what you're saying in a more positive way. but you can talk to men how you want, they won't care. so yes you have to behave differently to both genders.
      - vertex-four 9y ago
        I said "to the detriment of", not "differently", for a start.
        jlebrech 9y ago
        so treating both genders equally doesn't always end in equality.
        vertex-four 9y ago
        Indeed it doesn't! However, the reasoning for that is interesting - the primary reasons women get more upset when you speak about their appearance negatively when compared to men is that women constantly have it drilled into them that their appearance is one of the most important things about them, from a relatively early age. We have a combination of media and other people who do that - often even other women. It's something to be solved, but as the situation stands right now, yeah, criticising women on their dress/makeup/haircut only serves to further that - because women have generally already had significantly different experiences than men by the time you meet them.
        pbhjpbhj 9y ago
        "Detriment" varies and apparently has a strong gender correlation though.

Dude2018 9y ago

Did not stop from fighting other things considered "normal". Truth is getting hit vs getting harassed is based on hotness of the guy.

prawn 9y ago

"are you feeling well?" I've witnessed this: (concerned) Is x OK? Huh? Is she upset? She looks like she's been crying. (realising) No, she's just not wearing any makeup. You normally see her with makeup on.

jlebrech 9y ago
that's where not giving a shit comes into play. you don't accidentally sexism.
- vertex-four 9y ago
  Sure you do. If you behave to the detriment of one gender but not another, that's sexism. You then say "sorry, didn't mean that", and change your behaviour now that you know.
  - jlebrech 9y ago
    sure, assuming someone has been crying is dumb. noticing a change of appearance is something women want you to do when it's a positive thing ie. new haircut. but if it's negative it's probably best to reword what you're saying in a more positive way. but you can talk to men how you want, they won't care. so yes you have to behave differently to both genders.
    - vertex-four 9y ago
      I said "to the detriment of", not "differently", for a start.
      - jlebrech 9y ago
        so treating both genders equally doesn't always end in equality.
        vertex-four 9y ago
        Indeed it doesn't! However, the reasoning for that is interesting - the primary reasons women get more upset when you speak about their appearance negatively when compared to men is that women constantly have it drilled into them that their appearance is one of the most important things about them, from a relatively early age. We have a combination of media and other people who do that - often even other women. It's something to be solved, but as the situation stands right now, yeah, criticising women on their dress/makeup/haircut only serves to further that - because women have generally already had significantly different experiences than men by the time you meet them.
      - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
        "Detriment" varies and apparently has a strong gender correlation though.