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>Every application looks different (yes they used to blame Linux/X11 on that one). It has two control panels (or three maybe), two web browsers shipped with it.

by tw04 9y ago

>Every application looks different (yes they used to blame Linux/X11 on that one). It has two control panels (or three maybe), two web browsers shipped with it. So you want your cake and you want to eat it too? It's pretty well known that as part of the new iterative release cycle they're slowly moving things into the new "control panel". That's not going to happen overnight, and unless you want to go back to only seeing new releases every 4+ years, we're going to have to be patient. >Takes more than a minute to boot on a new and pretty formidable laptop. This is the fresh factory install. Then something is seriously broken with the laptop, or you're running off a spinning drive. Regardless, if boot time is your primary factor in choosing an OS, you're doing it wrong. >Can freeze the desktop while apparently doing something under the hood (installing updates? scanning malware? summoning the devil?), without any indication as to why, and not come back in five minutes. Between that and your boot times, I would imagine you've got a garbage hard drive. I've never had windows "Freeze the desktop for 5 minutes at a time". A quick google search also finds no relevant posts on other people experiencing the same behavior. Windows updates wouldn't freeze your desktop. Heck, video card driver updates will cause your screen to black out for a couple seconds, but not freeze for 5 minutes.

thriftwy 9y ago
> 's pretty well known that as part of the new iterative release cycle they're slowly moving things Linux DEs were blasted for things like that, but now they're suddenly OK for a multi-billion-dollar company's flagship product? > you're running off a spinning drive I also happen to walk on the ground and climb up the stairs, being aware of alternatives. That's what I've got in a shop and it has MS Windows logo glued to it. > I would imagine you've got a garbage hard drive. I imagine that's what gets sold these days. BTW, I've also bought Xiaomi phone for $200 and it's a real snap.
- tw04 9y ago
  >Linux DEs were blasted for things like that, but now they're suddenly OK for a multi-billion-dollar company's flagship product? Yes actually. It's what users asked for, and I rather appreciate it. Linux DEs were BLASTED for breaking things. MS isn't breaking anything as they make the slow transition to the new panels. If you want to use the old control panel, everything is right there where it always was. If you want to use the new panel it will get you 90% of the way there on day-to-day tasks. >I also happen to walk on the ground and climb up the stairs, being aware of alternatives. That's what I've got in a shop and it has MS Windows logo glued to it. You're seriously on a technical site claiming you're pissed that you bought a dirt cheap laptop and got dirt cheap components? It's 2017, if you aren't willing to crack it and put an SSD into it, don't complain about performance. The laptop will be slow regardless of OS with a spinning drive. Having a "windows logo" makes no guarantees of performance. Are you also pissed you can't run games in 4K on your $300 laptop?
  - thriftwy 9y ago
    > you bought a dirt cheap laptop As I've already said, you're a wrongfullt accusing right here. I've bought a mid-range laptop. > The laptop will be slow regardless of OS with a spinning drive As I've already said, you're wrong. Linux will still boot in 10 seconds and won't freeze for minutes during work.
  - thriftwy 9y ago
    > MS isn't breaking anything Whoooa! I've now tried to find when you can change the hotkey for changing keyboard layout. It turns out, you can't find it now. New control panel has nothing and drops you into the old one immediately, which has nothing too. It was working under Windows XP. Obviously you can't find how to configure anything in Windows these days without extensive googling.
flukus 9y ago
> and unless you want to go back to only seeing new releases every 4+ years I was fine with that, I like my desktop to just be there and get out of the way, not something that has to impress me with shiny new features constantly. Even the ported apps aren't consistent though, look at the mail app and the hideous background image they put in it. > I've never had windows "Freeze the desktop for 5 minutes at a time". I certainly have on an intermittent internet connection, the start menu can freeze for several minutes. That isn't good enough for a basic OS feature that shouldn't even have an internet connection. On the same connection it can also take several minutes to login to login to the machine because it's tied to the MS account.

by tw04 9y ago

thriftwy 9y ago

> 's pretty well known that as part of the new iterative release cycle they're slowly moving things Linux DEs were blasted for things like that, but now they're suddenly OK for a multi-billion-dollar company's flagship product? > you're running off a spinning drive I also happen to walk on the ground and climb up the stairs, being aware of alternatives. That's what I've got in a shop and it has MS Windows logo glued to it. > I would imagine you've got a garbage hard drive. I imagine that's what gets sold these days. BTW, I've also bought Xiaomi phone for $200 and it's a real snap.

tw04 9y ago
>Linux DEs were blasted for things like that, but now they're suddenly OK for a multi-billion-dollar company's flagship product? Yes actually. It's what users asked for, and I rather appreciate it. Linux DEs were BLASTED for breaking things. MS isn't breaking anything as they make the slow transition to the new panels. If you want to use the old control panel, everything is right there where it always was. If you want to use the new panel it will get you 90% of the way there on day-to-day tasks. >I also happen to walk on the ground and climb up the stairs, being aware of alternatives. That's what I've got in a shop and it has MS Windows logo glued to it. You're seriously on a technical site claiming you're pissed that you bought a dirt cheap laptop and got dirt cheap components? It's 2017, if you aren't willing to crack it and put an SSD into it, don't complain about performance. The laptop will be slow regardless of OS with a spinning drive. Having a "windows logo" makes no guarantees of performance. Are you also pissed you can't run games in 4K on your $300 laptop?
- thriftwy 9y ago
  > you bought a dirt cheap laptop As I've already said, you're a wrongfullt accusing right here. I've bought a mid-range laptop. > The laptop will be slow regardless of OS with a spinning drive As I've already said, you're wrong. Linux will still boot in 10 seconds and won't freeze for minutes during work.
- thriftwy 9y ago
  > MS isn't breaking anything Whoooa! I've now tried to find when you can change the hotkey for changing keyboard layout. It turns out, you can't find it now. New control panel has nothing and drops you into the old one immediately, which has nothing too. It was working under Windows XP. Obviously you can't find how to configure anything in Windows these days without extensive googling.

flukus 9y ago

> and unless you want to go back to only seeing new releases every 4+ years I was fine with that, I like my desktop to just be there and get out of the way, not something that has to impress me with shiny new features constantly. Even the ported apps aren't consistent though, look at the mail app and the hideous background image they put in it. > I've never had windows "Freeze the desktop for 5 minutes at a time". I certainly have on an intermittent internet connection, the start menu can freeze for several minutes. That isn't good enough for a basic OS feature that shouldn't even have an internet connection. On the same connection it can also take several minutes to login to login to the machine because it's tied to the MS account.