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A solution might be to identify what you need it for and build a process around it which pushes you to do what you are here for in the first place. You wouldnt

A solution might be to identify what you need it for and build a process around it which pushes you to do what you are here for in the first place. You wouldnt start to bake a cake by buying meat, right? Theres currently no process in place for anything, but only lots of information and people trying to get you addicted to spend money and time(depending on you product or customer) on things you do not require.

Super_Jambo 9y ago
Yup, the problem is our markets are wildly broken because of advertising. If you had to actually pay for the content you consume you wouldn't have any of this. But corporations are allowed to pay a third party to build honey pots in order to poison your mind against you. The worst part of it is that it makes finding actually useful information almost impossible because there is such huge incentives to make superficially attractive information that's actually dross. And people wonder why the foolish poor took on too much housing debt or why you had Trump running against Clinton. "This world in arms in not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children." But I'm sure sucking all our brightest minds into Google and Wall Street we'll innovate our way past global warming no bother.
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- DelightOne 9y ago
  I agree partly, see my answer below. > But I'm sure sucking all our brightest minds into Google and Wall Street we'll innovate our way past global warming no bother. However lamenting about this does not help anyone. Everyone has his own incentives.
- skrebbel 9y ago
  > But I'm sure sucking all our brightest minds into Google and Wall Street we'll innovate our way past global warming no bother. No, we're only sucking the brightest of the "path of least resistance" minds into Google and Wall Street. Plenty bright minds to go about, and many have ideas of their own.
  - Piskvorrr 9y ago
    Correct, but let me quote a surprisingly on-topic verse: "wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it." This seems to be quite fitting - most people are on the path of least resistance, brightness notwithstanding.
pbhjpbhj 9y ago
>people trying to get you addicted to spend money and time(depending on you product or customer) on things you do not require. // Almost as if the fundamental conflicts built in to capitalism are harmful to us as a species -- who'd have thought treating life as a competition would lead to so many of us losing.
- DelightOne 9y ago
  > Almost as if the fundamental conflicts built in to capitalism are harmful to us as a species -- who'd have thought treating life as a competition would lead to so many of us losing. I think competition was always there. My point is people selling things get smarter. So it may be a good idea to improve my arsenal too to withstand the forces that be and use what is out there.
  - Super_Jambo 9y ago
    I don't think this is an arms race you can win. Even if you personally make good decisions if the market for good products is not big enough the addictive products will be all that's available.
    - DelightOne 9y ago
      > Even if you personally make good decisions if the market for good products is not big enough the addictive products will be all that's available. Nothing is all good and nothing is all bad, but rather allˋs a shade of grey. My way of solving the addiction Problem is to get rid of the dark stuff by putting a box on all shady and only letting it through in a controlled manner so only light comes out at the end. The box is like a teacher, assisting and guiding. Not limiting but supporting with anything I want done. I am unable to find a better metaphore.
- cookiecaper 9y ago
  Existence itself is a competition. "Survival of the fittest" implies that some level of fitness is required to survive. Few macroscopic organisms can go more than a few days without consuming some other thing that was living not long ago, whether plant or animal. Capitalism creates a realistic incentive structure within the constraints of the real world, including the constraints of the biological systems that undergird human and animal life. It has problems, but by this point, it's well-proven that living under dictatorial fiat disguised as utopian mythology is far worse.

Super_Jambo 9y ago

Yup, the problem is our markets are wildly broken because of advertising. If you had to actually pay for the content you consume you wouldn't have any of this. But corporations are allowed to pay a third party to build honey pots in order to poison your mind against you. The worst part of it is that it makes finding actually useful information almost impossible because there is such huge incentives to make superficially attractive information that's actually dross. And people wonder why the foolish poor took on too much housing debt or why you had Trump running against Clinton. "This world in arms in not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children." But I'm sure sucking all our brightest minds into Google and Wall Street we'll innovate our way past global warming no bother.

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DelightOne 9y ago
I agree partly, see my answer below. > But I'm sure sucking all our brightest minds into Google and Wall Street we'll innovate our way past global warming no bother. However lamenting about this does not help anyone. Everyone has his own incentives.
skrebbel 9y ago
> But I'm sure sucking all our brightest minds into Google and Wall Street we'll innovate our way past global warming no bother. No, we're only sucking the brightest of the "path of least resistance" minds into Google and Wall Street. Plenty bright minds to go about, and many have ideas of their own.
- Piskvorrr 9y ago
  Correct, but let me quote a surprisingly on-topic verse: "wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it." This seems to be quite fitting - most people are on the path of least resistance, brightness notwithstanding.

pbhjpbhj 9y ago

>people trying to get you addicted to spend money and time(depending on you product or customer) on things you do not require. // Almost as if the fundamental conflicts built in to capitalism are harmful to us as a species -- who'd have thought treating life as a competition would lead to so many of us losing.

DelightOne 9y ago
> Almost as if the fundamental conflicts built in to capitalism are harmful to us as a species -- who'd have thought treating life as a competition would lead to so many of us losing. I think competition was always there. My point is people selling things get smarter. So it may be a good idea to improve my arsenal too to withstand the forces that be and use what is out there.
- Super_Jambo 9y ago
  I don't think this is an arms race you can win. Even if you personally make good decisions if the market for good products is not big enough the addictive products will be all that's available.
  - DelightOne 9y ago
    > Even if you personally make good decisions if the market for good products is not big enough the addictive products will be all that's available. Nothing is all good and nothing is all bad, but rather allˋs a shade of grey. My way of solving the addiction Problem is to get rid of the dark stuff by putting a box on all shady and only letting it through in a controlled manner so only light comes out at the end. The box is like a teacher, assisting and guiding. Not limiting but supporting with anything I want done. I am unable to find a better metaphore.
cookiecaper 9y ago
Existence itself is a competition. "Survival of the fittest" implies that some level of fitness is required to survive. Few macroscopic organisms can go more than a few days without consuming some other thing that was living not long ago, whether plant or animal. Capitalism creates a realistic incentive structure within the constraints of the real world, including the constraints of the biological systems that undergird human and animal life. It has problems, but by this point, it's well-proven that living under dictatorial fiat disguised as utopian mythology is far worse.