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Windows 10 is usable in every aspect. Boot speed is pretty good and doesnt freeze like that. Check your hardware if that is a fresh factory install. You are d

Windows 10 is usable in every aspect. Boot speed is pretty good and doesnt freeze like that. Check your hardware if that is a fresh factory install. You are doing something wrong. They are not common problems. They are yours.

lottin 9y ago
It seems to me that Windows users have a different idea of what constitutes a problem, because I always hear that Windows "just works" and yet whenever I have to use Windows I run into all sorts of issues. This isn't an isolated incident, it happens to me all the time.
vidarh 9y ago
I bought my son a new laptop earlier this year. It is something like ten times faster than his old Linux laptop (my old hand-me-downs), yet it boots slow and is sluggish with Windows where his old Linux setup was fast. I haven't had it freeze, but I've spent far more time solving problems with his new laptop in the last few months than in the last few years of having him use Linux. If it wasn't for some of the games he likes that aren't available for Linux, I'd have insisted he stick to it. Maybe they're not common problems, but it's certainly not just him that find it gives a poor experience.
- alkonaut 9y ago
  If a new laptop is slow something must be wrong. Such as it having a mechanical disk. It might not seem like a big problem but it's almost a complete no go with win 10. If there are performance issues/freezing on a machine with 8GB and SSD then something is wrong and you should contact the manufacturer, chances are a bios or driver update will fix it
  - kuschku 9y ago
    Oh, so you're offering to buy me an SSD for Windows 10? That's so nice of you! /s If it doesn't work on a mechanical drive, it's fucking broken.
    - alkonaut 9y ago
      I didn't understand the question here (the /s was lost on me because I'm slow probably)
      - kuschku 9y ago
        If you say that a product that is forced upon me by an automatic upgrade just needs better hardware than what I had before, then that hardware upgrade should also happen automatically, or at least for free. Additionally, you don't get to compare two products if one of them has massively higher hardware requirements.
        alkonaut 9y ago
        Oh - updates. Right. Completely agree that having a major version bump as an automatic is insane. That's why they should just skip the version numbering and just make it a subscription. Then they can sunset hardware 5-6 years old continuously like iOS, but let people choose to stay on the of version indefinitely.
  - thriftwy 9y ago
    > Such as it having a mechanical disk. it's almost a complete no go with win 10 Why then do Windows 10 laptops get sold with HDDs? You come to store and that's what you get out of it. Also, Linux doesn't mind running from HDD. Not ten years ago, not now. Lesson to MS: Get your act together or get out of this business. Come back from make-believe world. MS is running on make-believe for the last 10 years. Windows 8, the whole Avalon story, Windows Phone and now this Windows 10 "which only works well on SSD but never discourages anybody from getting an HDD laptop". Supposedly we should learn about this by telepathy or something.
    - alkonaut 9y ago
      > Why then do Windows 10 laptops get sold with HDDs? Excellent question. These machines should do better with Win7 but Microsoft doesn't want to sell it. Microsoft sells windows 10 and Microsoft sells laptops with Windows 10 on an SSD. I doubt (but do correct me if I'm wrong) Microsoft sells any computers with Windows 10 on a mechanical drive. Various manufacturers sell underpowered computers with Win10 on it, but thats hardly microsofts fault. They do that because otherwise they can't hit the lowest price segments. What IS Microsoft's fault: 1)Microsofts "hardware requirements" only say what's necessary to use it, not what's needed for a decent experience. 2) not selling Win7 or making newer versions of windows work with older hardware.
      - thriftwy 9y ago
        > they can't hit the lowest price segments That's a lie right here because the laptop in question not low end, definitely middle one. > Various manufacturers sell underpowered computers with Win10 That was always part of Microsoft deal. You get your computer from a manufacturer other than MS and they still have to deliver experience, and they've failed that one.
        alkonaut 9y ago
        A recent middle range laptop didn't have an SSD? Obviously it might be a config option so a buyer might opt for a better gpu instead at the same price for example, but it still makes me a bit upset it's even possible to get a hdd if the laptop isn't low budget.
  - vidarh 9y ago
    Maybe we have different expectations of speed - I've never seen a Windows machine since about Windows 95 was current that didn't feel sluggish.
yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
> Check your hardware if that is a fresh factory install. You are doing something wrong. And here I thought it was Linux users that were supposed to say "you're holding it wrong" and "just make sure you get supported hardware"
dboreham 9y ago
I feel I have to counter this. I have seen similar problems on multiple different machines. I know they are not "my" problems. I've been a Windows user and supporter for decades but my experience in the past 5 years is that it unfortunately doesn't "just work" these days. Also: your recommendation for resolving reliability issues is to reinstall the OS? Yes I know the historical reasons for saying this, but in 2017 if the user has to re-install the OS to get it to work I suggest the problem lies somewhere other than in the user.
- aykutcan 9y ago
  i am not recommending reinstall the OS. its so 90s. He/She said slow boot and freeze with "fresh factory install". Clearly having some issues. I am also a technician and installed win10 more than i can count. Yes Old & Slow and New Budget-friendly machines are problematic with windows 10. Thats mainly because hardware. Because its new OS and getting better hardware is a must. You cant complain about a calculator can not run win10 properly. OF course 5200 rpm hdd and celeron cpu fails. win10 is confusing? Yes. Sometimes goes hard on user? Yes. Annoying with their "windows store"? Oh very yes. Slow and Freezing constantly? No. Proper UEFI setups works like a charm with proper machines. Usable? yes it is.
  - wbl 9y ago
    And what more features do I get? Everything I do today on a computer I could do in 1995.

lottin 9y ago

It seems to me that Windows users have a different idea of what constitutes a problem, because I always hear that Windows "just works" and yet whenever I have to use Windows I run into all sorts of issues. This isn't an isolated incident, it happens to me all the time.

vidarh 9y ago

I bought my son a new laptop earlier this year. It is something like ten times faster than his old Linux laptop (my old hand-me-downs), yet it boots slow and is sluggish with Windows where his old Linux setup was fast. I haven't had it freeze, but I've spent far more time solving problems with his new laptop in the last few months than in the last few years of having him use Linux. If it wasn't for some of the games he likes that aren't available for Linux, I'd have insisted he stick to it. Maybe they're not common problems, but it's certainly not just him that find it gives a poor experience.

alkonaut 9y ago
If a new laptop is slow something must be wrong. Such as it having a mechanical disk. It might not seem like a big problem but it's almost a complete no go with win 10. If there are performance issues/freezing on a machine with 8GB and SSD then something is wrong and you should contact the manufacturer, chances are a bios or driver update will fix it
- kuschku 9y ago
  Oh, so you're offering to buy me an SSD for Windows 10? That's so nice of you! /s If it doesn't work on a mechanical drive, it's fucking broken.
  - alkonaut 9y ago
    I didn't understand the question here (the /s was lost on me because I'm slow probably)
    - kuschku 9y ago
      If you say that a product that is forced upon me by an automatic upgrade just needs better hardware than what I had before, then that hardware upgrade should also happen automatically, or at least for free. Additionally, you don't get to compare two products if one of them has massively higher hardware requirements.
      - alkonaut 9y ago
        Oh - updates. Right. Completely agree that having a major version bump as an automatic is insane. That's why they should just skip the version numbering and just make it a subscription. Then they can sunset hardware 5-6 years old continuously like iOS, but let people choose to stay on the of version indefinitely.
- thriftwy 9y ago
  > Such as it having a mechanical disk. it's almost a complete no go with win 10 Why then do Windows 10 laptops get sold with HDDs? You come to store and that's what you get out of it. Also, Linux doesn't mind running from HDD. Not ten years ago, not now. Lesson to MS: Get your act together or get out of this business. Come back from make-believe world. MS is running on make-believe for the last 10 years. Windows 8, the whole Avalon story, Windows Phone and now this Windows 10 "which only works well on SSD but never discourages anybody from getting an HDD laptop". Supposedly we should learn about this by telepathy or something.
  - alkonaut 9y ago
    > Why then do Windows 10 laptops get sold with HDDs? Excellent question. These machines should do better with Win7 but Microsoft doesn't want to sell it. Microsoft sells windows 10 and Microsoft sells laptops with Windows 10 on an SSD. I doubt (but do correct me if I'm wrong) Microsoft sells any computers with Windows 10 on a mechanical drive. Various manufacturers sell underpowered computers with Win10 on it, but thats hardly microsofts fault. They do that because otherwise they can't hit the lowest price segments. What IS Microsoft's fault: 1)Microsofts "hardware requirements" only say what's necessary to use it, not what's needed for a decent experience. 2) not selling Win7 or making newer versions of windows work with older hardware.
    - thriftwy 9y ago
      > they can't hit the lowest price segments That's a lie right here because the laptop in question not low end, definitely middle one. > Various manufacturers sell underpowered computers with Win10 That was always part of Microsoft deal. You get your computer from a manufacturer other than MS and they still have to deliver experience, and they've failed that one.
      - alkonaut 9y ago
        A recent middle range laptop didn't have an SSD? Obviously it might be a config option so a buyer might opt for a better gpu instead at the same price for example, but it still makes me a bit upset it's even possible to get a hdd if the laptop isn't low budget.
- vidarh 9y ago
  Maybe we have different expectations of speed - I've never seen a Windows machine since about Windows 95 was current that didn't feel sluggish.

yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago

> Check your hardware if that is a fresh factory install. You are doing something wrong. And here I thought it was Linux users that were supposed to say "you're holding it wrong" and "just make sure you get supported hardware"

dboreham 9y ago

I feel I have to counter this. I have seen similar problems on multiple different machines. I know they are not "my" problems. I've been a Windows user and supporter for decades but my experience in the past 5 years is that it unfortunately doesn't "just work" these days. Also: your recommendation for resolving reliability issues is to reinstall the OS? Yes I know the historical reasons for saying this, but in 2017 if the user has to re-install the OS to get it to work I suggest the problem lies somewhere other than in the user.

aykutcan 9y ago
i am not recommending reinstall the OS. its so 90s. He/She said slow boot and freeze with "fresh factory install". Clearly having some issues. I am also a technician and installed win10 more than i can count. Yes Old & Slow and New Budget-friendly machines are problematic with windows 10. Thats mainly because hardware. Because its new OS and getting better hardware is a must. You cant complain about a calculator can not run win10 properly. OF course 5200 rpm hdd and celeron cpu fails. win10 is confusing? Yes. Sometimes goes hard on user? Yes. Annoying with their "windows store"? Oh very yes. Slow and Freezing constantly? No. Proper UEFI setups works like a charm with proper machines. Usable? yes it is.
- wbl 9y ago
  And what more features do I get? Everything I do today on a computer I could do in 1995.