9 ms·

Keep in mind that OpenBazaar has been used for over a year now, and only a small minority of the trade has been illicit. Most people just want a platform where

Keep in mind that OpenBazaar has been used for over a year now, and only a small minority of the trade has been illicit. Most people just want a platform where they can buy / sell in crypto and avoid marketplace fees. We built OpenBazaar to be an agnostic protocol for trade online. It's like any other protocol in that it's neutral, and people can use it how they please. I don't like the idea of people using it for immoral things, but that's their decision. I know linking to a reddit thread might be heresy here, but I talked about the more on our subreddit (I'm CC_EF_JTF): https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oi2k0/rules_of_open_bazaar/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oi2k0/rules_of...

sillysaurus3 9y ago
After digging into some Reddit comments, this reply appears to downplay the extent to which you're directly facilitating the darknet market migration. https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oifak/is_it_possible_to_load_ob_20_on_tails_os/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oifak/is_it_po... "Well if the devs want massive adoption and 2.0 is functional then getting it to work on tails in the next 3 months will get them that." "If someone would post an eli18 walkthrough on how to config tails so that OB 2.0 will work when that comes out that'd be great." https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6opqii/i_read_somewhere_that_a_working_ob2_would_be/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6opqii/i_read_s... "It's actually about to enter the alpha testing phase. Tor is working with some manual steps. You can test out a week-old build here." The situation appears to be that OpenBazaar has been used for a year for mostly legal trade due to the technical hurdles of using Open Bazaar with identity-hiding software like Tor and Tails. In fact, OpenBazaar does not work at all on Tails, though work is ongoing to promote this use case (https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oifak/is_it_possible_to_load_ob_20_on_tails_os/dkhlr2v/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oifak/is_it_po...) and a release with Tor support is scheduled for August. In fact, most of the recent activity on the OpenBazaar subreddit has been questions about exactly that: sale of illegal substances. https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oigt2/so_i_heard_of_v2_but/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oigt2/so_i_hea... It feels like Open Bazaar is poised to become the next Silk Road. The keystone to achieve that is Tor support plus a Tails walkthrough guide. Both of these seem to be on the verge of being released. I just wanted to clarify for onlookers that the Open Bazaar team seems to be going into this with both eyes open. Developing a protocol is one thing. Going out of your way to enable anonymity as a means of acquiring users is a very interesting tactic. It's doubly interesting to repeatedly claim that Open Bazaar was not developed as a darknet market and "may not work for that use case" while also accepting merge requests for Tor support and eventually providing binaries that will work on Tails. According to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14829076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14829076 OB has taken $4M of investment. Perhaps investors are pushing you to acquire users. The DarkNet market crowd is certainly a large target market. Or perhaps all of your intentions are as transparent as you claim, and you're innocently laying the foundation to become the next Silk Road -- an unstoppable decentralized market accountable to no one.
- Iranibangbang 9y ago
  You're wrong that they are supporting illegal dark type uses. The team has background in the American intelligence community. Some people are saying their aim is to push toward a backdoored or monitorable supposed darknet.
  - sillysaurus3 9y ago
    The team has background in the American intelligence community. For what it's worth, there is a Forbes article that supports this claim: https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/03/16/openbazaar-silk-road-dark-web-drugs-ebay https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/03/16/openb... "Brian Hoffman, a former lead associate for cybersecurity at Edward Snowden's old employer Booz Allen Hamilton"
    - Frances66 9y ago
      my nêlgнвоя'S mотнêя-ln-låш måκêS 82 ån ноuя оn тнê lnтêяnêт, Sнê нåS вêên шlтноuт å jов fоя flvê mоnтнS вuт låSт mоnтн нêя cнêcκ шåS 18641 juSт шояκlng оn тнê lnтêяnêт fоuя ноuяS pêя Dåy, gо то тнlS Slтê ----------------->>http://www.joinmate2.Com http://www.joinmate2.Com
  - nyolfen 9y ago
    were there only some way we could examine the software for such a backdoor. alas tor was developed by the US military initially, as well
- Frogolocalypse 9y ago
  Another american who has this baffling belief that things that aren't given permission by the government are illegal. Which, in a country full of guns, is kind of interesting. By the rationale you just espoused, the gun manufacturers should be held accountable for the actions of their users. How about you start focusing on what THEY are doing that is supposedly 'illegal', instead of relying upon insinuation and surveillance.
  - 9y ago

sillysaurus3 9y ago

After digging into some Reddit comments, this reply appears to downplay the extent to which you're directly facilitating the darknet market migration. https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oifak/is_it_possible_to_load_ob_20_on_tails_os/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oifak/is_it_po... "Well if the devs want massive adoption and 2.0 is functional then getting it to work on tails in the next 3 months will get them that." "If someone would post an eli18 walkthrough on how to config tails so that OB 2.0 will work when that comes out that'd be great." https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6opqii/i_read_somewhere_that_a_working_ob2_would_be/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6opqii/i_read_s... "It's actually about to enter the alpha testing phase. Tor is working with some manual steps. You can test out a week-old build here." The situation appears to be that OpenBazaar has been used for a year for mostly legal trade due to the technical hurdles of using Open Bazaar with identity-hiding software like Tor and Tails. In fact, OpenBazaar does not work at all on Tails, though work is ongoing to promote this use case (https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oifak/is_it_possible_to_load_ob_20_on_tails_os/dkhlr2v/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oifak/is_it_po...) and a release with Tor support is scheduled for August. In fact, most of the recent activity on the OpenBazaar subreddit has been questions about exactly that: sale of illegal substances. https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oigt2/so_i_heard_of_v2_but/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oigt2/so_i_hea... It feels like Open Bazaar is poised to become the next Silk Road. The keystone to achieve that is Tor support plus a Tails walkthrough guide. Both of these seem to be on the verge of being released. I just wanted to clarify for onlookers that the Open Bazaar team seems to be going into this with both eyes open. Developing a protocol is one thing. Going out of your way to enable anonymity as a means of acquiring users is a very interesting tactic. It's doubly interesting to repeatedly claim that Open Bazaar was not developed as a darknet market and "may not work for that use case" while also accepting merge requests for Tor support and eventually providing binaries that will work on Tails. According to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14829076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14829076 OB has taken $4M of investment. Perhaps investors are pushing you to acquire users. The DarkNet market crowd is certainly a large target market. Or perhaps all of your intentions are as transparent as you claim, and you're innocently laying the foundation to become the next Silk Road -- an unstoppable decentralized market accountable to no one.

Iranibangbang 9y ago
You're wrong that they are supporting illegal dark type uses. The team has background in the American intelligence community. Some people are saying their aim is to push toward a backdoored or monitorable supposed darknet.
- sillysaurus3 9y ago
  The team has background in the American intelligence community. For what it's worth, there is a Forbes article that supports this claim: https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/03/16/openbazaar-silk-road-dark-web-drugs-ebay https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/03/16/openb... "Brian Hoffman, a former lead associate for cybersecurity at Edward Snowden's old employer Booz Allen Hamilton"
  - Frances66 9y ago
    my nêlgнвоя'S mотнêя-ln-låш måκêS 82 ån ноuя оn тнê lnтêяnêт, Sнê нåS вêên шlтноuт å jов fоя flvê mоnтнS вuт låSт mоnтн нêя cнêcκ шåS 18641 juSт шояκlng оn тнê lnтêяnêт fоuя ноuяS pêя Dåy, gо то тнlS Slтê ----------------->>http://www.joinmate2.Com http://www.joinmate2.Com
- nyolfen 9y ago
  were there only some way we could examine the software for such a backdoor. alas tor was developed by the US military initially, as well
Frogolocalypse 9y ago
Another american who has this baffling belief that things that aren't given permission by the government are illegal. Which, in a country full of guns, is kind of interesting. By the rationale you just espoused, the gun manufacturers should be held accountable for the actions of their users. How about you start focusing on what THEY are doing that is supposedly 'illegal', instead of relying upon insinuation and surveillance.
- 9y ago