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"Darknet" is a brainwashing propaganda term. Please do not use it, thanks.

by softwarelimits 9y ago

thinbeige 9y ago
What is the right term then?
- Angostura 9y ago
  Difficult to know in this context - what meaning do you think they weed trying to convey, assuming that “designed for illegal use” wasn't it.
  - PaulAJ 9y ago
    How about "secure against spying by governments and criminals".
    - Angostura 9y ago
      So 'highly secure' would be better than darknet
      - meowface 9y ago
        Not quite, because that leaves out the important fact that it doesn't operate over typical networks.
- PeterisP 9y ago
  Who knows? The whole problem is that "darknet" is a label that doesn't mean anything definite, a buzzword but not a term. You may say that a tool/network/protocol is decentralized and/or secure and/or anonymous and/or censorship-resistant and/or routed through Tor and/or doesn't leak identity and/or tamper-resistant and/or has plausible deniability etc etc and all these labels would mean something - "darknet" does not. A "darknet messenger" might tick any set of these boxes, but the meaning is completely different depending on which of these labels apply.
- gcb0 9y ago
  mesh and distributed networks. unless you think providing Bluetooth is "darknet" .
andrepd 9y ago
Elaborate, or refrain from posting messages like that.
- joshschreuder 9y ago
  It is a term used by media and seen by general public when talking about many unethical or illegal things like child pornography and drug marketplaces, so perhaps not the best thing to associate with in your marketing material.
  - meowface 9y ago
    So should we stop saying "hackers" because it is also a term used by media and seen by the general public when talking about many unethical or illegal things?
    - joshschreuder 9y ago
      It is a fair point, and I don't necessarily agree with the perception or misuse of either word. But you have to admit there are connotations and that leads to bias when you start talking to laypeople who don't understand the other meanings or usages of 'darknet' or 'hacker'. There may be better ways to communicate that won't immediately stop the general public in their tracks when they hear a particular 'tainted' word.
maneesh 9y ago
You realize this is a press release hosted on the actual project's site, right?
- gcb0 9y ago
  only makes it worse imho

"Darknet" is a brainwashing propaganda term. Please do not use it, thanks.

thinbeige 9y ago

What is the right term then?

Angostura 9y ago
Difficult to know in this context - what meaning do you think they weed trying to convey, assuming that “designed for illegal use” wasn't it.
- PaulAJ 9y ago
  How about "secure against spying by governments and criminals".
  - Angostura 9y ago
    So 'highly secure' would be better than darknet
    - meowface 9y ago
      Not quite, because that leaves out the important fact that it doesn't operate over typical networks.
PeterisP 9y ago
Who knows? The whole problem is that "darknet" is a label that doesn't mean anything definite, a buzzword but not a term. You may say that a tool/network/protocol is decentralized and/or secure and/or anonymous and/or censorship-resistant and/or routed through Tor and/or doesn't leak identity and/or tamper-resistant and/or has plausible deniability etc etc and all these labels would mean something - "darknet" does not. A "darknet messenger" might tick any set of these boxes, but the meaning is completely different depending on which of these labels apply.
gcb0 9y ago
mesh and distributed networks. unless you think providing Bluetooth is "darknet" .

andrepd 9y ago

Elaborate, or refrain from posting messages like that.

joshschreuder 9y ago
It is a term used by media and seen by general public when talking about many unethical or illegal things like child pornography and drug marketplaces, so perhaps not the best thing to associate with in your marketing material.
- meowface 9y ago
  So should we stop saying "hackers" because it is also a term used by media and seen by the general public when talking about many unethical or illegal things?
  - joshschreuder 9y ago
    It is a fair point, and I don't necessarily agree with the perception or misuse of either word. But you have to admit there are connotations and that leads to bias when you start talking to laypeople who don't understand the other meanings or usages of 'darknet' or 'hacker'. There may be better ways to communicate that won't immediately stop the general public in their tracks when they hear a particular 'tainted' word.

maneesh 9y ago

You realize this is a press release hosted on the actual project's site, right?

gcb0 9y ago
only makes it worse imho