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They are overthinking this... with sufficiently low latency to your exchange, all your "quant"(and I use this term loosely) needs to do is watch the order book.
by module0000 9y ago
They are overthinking this... with sufficiently low latency to your exchange, all your "quant"(and I use this term loosely) needs to do is watch the order book. When either side's inside bid/ask is about to crack, you join the opposing side with a market order, and place a stop on the next tick in your direction.
This is what 99.99% of consistently profitable quants do. It's boring, unexciting, and VERY profitable. The crux is...you must have that low latency connection to the exchange, and you must have priority routing for your orders. Bonus point if you have market maker status(but if you have that, why are you doing this in the first place?).
The deep learning craze seems to be infiltrating the minds of a few algorithmic funds, but it doesn't stay long(either they stop trying it, or they blow up their fund). Positions of any reasonable size(such as that required to move the market) are opened by human beings. Human beings operate on emotion and mob mentality in the market, so that is what you capitalize on when designing your algorithm.
Disclaimer: I'm looking at this with an ultra short term timeframe, such as 5-15 seconds being the maximum time in market per position. If these guys are targeting longer term positions, then all bets are off. The algorithms I create and maintain work in this timeframe, and the majority of my competitors algorithms are in the same timeframe.
- scott_karana 9y agoI agree with your general assessment of HFT, but if the article is correct, this fund doesn't fit that mold: > said Lun, whose computer holds trades for an average of six days
- namuol 9y ago> an average of Does this exclude outliers? What's the median duration?
- scott_karana 9y agoEven though "average" is a statistically non-rigorous term, we should be out of the "5-15 second maximum" holding times mentioned by GP by at least one order of magnitude.
- module0000 9y agoIt's average as determined by the statistics from my own algorithm's licensees, and from my competitors. I'm sure there are plenty out there that don't fit that mold, but all I can report on is what I see - and those statistics are what I see day in and day out. Another disclaimer, the markets I'm quoting these averages from are the ES and ZB.
- patio11 9y agoThis is what 99.99% of consistently profitable quants do. This is entirely incorrect. Quants do not, as a rule, run liquidity providing strategies with market orders. Market orders pay for liquidity; they are the buyers for what HFT is selling.