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Just to be clear, it's still 100% possible to keep your 1Password vault in Dropbox etc and not use the SaaS version [1]. I felt like this fact was buried in th

Just to be clear, it's still 100% possible to keep your 1Password vault in Dropbox etc and not use the SaaS version [1]. I felt like this fact was buried in the article. Edit: Here's the link to buy the standalone license [2] which is hard to find on the site now. In a post from the founder one week ago [3] he said, "We know that not everyone is ready to make the jump yet, and as such, we will continue to support customers who are managing their own standalone vaults. 1Password 6 and even 1Password 7 will continue to support standalone vaults." [1]: https://support.1password.com/sync-with-dropbox/ https://support.1password.com/sync-with-dropbox/ [2]: https://agilebits.com/store https://agilebits.com/store [3]: https://blog.agilebits.com/2017/07/13/why-we-love-1password-memberships/ https://blog.agilebits.com/2017/07/13/why-we-love-1password-...

mockindignant 9y ago
Last I saw, on windows you cannot use 6.0 client without a 1Password.com account, and even then it can only read local vaults. If you want to edit entries or delete you have to use 4.x, which did not seem to support OTP. They have made no commitment for bringing windows support for local vaults to feature parity with the mac client.
malchow 9y ago
Is it possible to use the 1Password "family" or "team" accounts with Dropbox or iCloud storage?
- KSS42 9y ago
  Yes. (iCloud sync is limited to Mac/iOS devices) https://support.1password.com/sync-options/ https://support.1password.com/sync-options/
  - eridius 9y ago
    No. The alternative sync options are for "If you don’t want the benefits of a 1Password membership", and a "team" or "family" account is by definition a 1Password membership.
    - WillPostForFood 9y ago
      Is 1Password membership not inclusive of advanced sync options? edit: I thought it was, but not sure.
      - danieldk 9y ago
        Yes, you can make/use local vaults (and sync them e.g. using Dropbox) on iOS/macOS with a membership. Open 1Password, then "Preferences -> Advanced -> Allow creation of vaults outside of 1Password accounts". Also see: https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/316463/#Comment_316463 https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/316463/...
        eridius 9y ago
        You can do that, but those local vaults aren't part of the team/family.
        malchow 9y ago
        "You can do that, but those local vaults aren't part of the team/family." Yes, this is correct. So if you want to share items or share a vault with a family member, you are obligated to store and sync with 1Password servers.
        eridius 9y ago
        Well, you can use third-party syncing with local vaults to sync with family members, e.g. using Dropbox sync with a Dropbox shared folder to share your vault with a family member. This just doesn't fall under the heading of "team" or "family" syncing.
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        danieldk 9y ago
- jonathankoren 9y ago
  I was not able to do that with standalone 6.8 for mac and ios. I bought 1Password back in version 4.2, and have gotten free automatic upgrades to 6.8. I believe I even bought the family plan back then, but when I tried to use it recently, I got nothing but dialogs asking me to log in to 1password.com (which I don't have an account on), and/or get a subscription which I have no interest in doing. It was only by trying to activate an additional family account did I discover the change in the business plan.
netrap 9y ago
That's good to know.
wepple 9y ago
Given the change to their business model I am concerned they can push an update, where the next time I unlock my vault it syncs my master password and/or decrypted vault to their cloud. Maybe time for an open source password manager?
- tedmiston 9y ago
  I'm not sure where that concern is founded. They've been extremely clear that: - both products will continue to be supported - your master password doesn't sync to their cloud - your vault doesn't sync to their cloud unless you're using the subscription version and when it does sync, it's encrypted
  - _jal 9y ago
    Well, no, unless I missed something, they have not been clear that local-storage 1Password will continue to work. They have carefully left the door open to changing that at some undefined point in the future. At which point I will migrate away. I love the apps (use it on MacOS and iOS), but local-only storage and non-cloud sync are my hard requirements. I'm willing to pay a monthly rent, but will not 'cloudify' my passwords.
    - tedmiston 9y ago
      Did you see the links included in my parent post? The founder specifically said that standalone vaults will continue to be supported. You don't have to sync your standalone vault to any service if you don't want to. Though of course it'd be difficult to use both the desktop and mobile apps if you don't sync somehow.
      - robin_reala 9y ago
        Will continue to be supported for 6 and 7. Nothing beyond that.
        tedmiston 9y ago
clairity 9y ago
that feature is one of the primary reasons i jumped into the 1password boat from keepass. i have a personal vault and a shared team vault, both sitting on dropbox and shared to various devices and users as required. there is no need to use 1password.com at all.
rcthompson 9y ago
On the other hand, the fact that they're saying not everyone is ready "yet" seems to imply that they expect to eventually migrate everyone off standalone vaults.
- curun1r 9y ago
  This is an important point. I think 1Password folks need to hear that for a lot of customers, it will never be the case. There are many of us that consider managing the storage of our vaults as a fundamental safety feature of a password manager and will never cede control over that function to the company behind our password manager. Moreover, subscription pricing is a no-go for many of us. The possibility that a company will cease operations and the software will cease to function makes this kind of pricing a non-starter for something as crucial as password management. I'm perfectly happy to continue paying for major releases and will always upgrade provided the added features are compelling. But every version I purchase should work in perpetuity and should come with bug fixes, especially if vulnerabilities in the product are found. I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I love 1Password, but I hate their move towards being a service. There are alternatives that, while possibly not as good/polished, will allow me to continue to manage the password storage the way that I currently do and will continue to work, as is, for as long as I choose to use the software. Using them is a compromise I can make. Having a subscription password manager is not a compromise I can make.
  - lox 9y ago
    I'm fine with subscription pricing provided the vault format remains published and and accessible and I can control the storage of my vault files if I choose. I'd even encourage it, I'd like AgileBits to be a long term viable business.
evantahler 9y ago
And you can use other Sync methods, like iCloud or move the files around yourself.
- n4r9 9y ago
  I recently moved to using SyncThing for syncing my keepass database. I realised that syncing it with Dropbox was not that much better than using a Web-based service.
  - Shank 9y ago
    You're mistaken. It's completely different. While all file syncing tools will let the NSA intercept and mess with your data, a web client like 1Password could trivially be modified to intercept a password or decrypt in place and send data back to the mothership in the clear. Dropbox can't force 1Password to modify its binary.
    - n4r9 9y ago
      True, Dropbox is better in that regard. Still, the advantage of SyncThing is that an attacker would have to break TLS to even get to the point of entering the master password.
tw04 9y ago
https://blog.agilebits.com/2016/06/02/1password-6-beta-for-windows-opens-the-door-to-1password-families-and-1password-teams/ https://blog.agilebits.com/2016/06/02/1password-6-beta-for-w... 1Password 6 for Windows has been out for a year, and it still doesn't support local vaults. I'm going to consider my own and others skepticism of their commitment to local vaults completely valid.

mockindignant 9y ago

Last I saw, on windows you cannot use 6.0 client without a 1Password.com account, and even then it can only read local vaults. If you want to edit entries or delete you have to use 4.x, which did not seem to support OTP. They have made no commitment for bringing windows support for local vaults to feature parity with the mac client.

malchow 9y ago

Is it possible to use the 1Password "family" or "team" accounts with Dropbox or iCloud storage?

KSS42 9y ago
Yes. (iCloud sync is limited to Mac/iOS devices) https://support.1password.com/sync-options/ https://support.1password.com/sync-options/
- eridius 9y ago
  No. The alternative sync options are for "If you don’t want the benefits of a 1Password membership", and a "team" or "family" account is by definition a 1Password membership.
  - WillPostForFood 9y ago
    Is 1Password membership not inclusive of advanced sync options? edit: I thought it was, but not sure.
    - danieldk 9y ago
      Yes, you can make/use local vaults (and sync them e.g. using Dropbox) on iOS/macOS with a membership. Open 1Password, then "Preferences -> Advanced -> Allow creation of vaults outside of 1Password accounts". Also see: https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/316463/#Comment_316463 https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/316463/...
      - eridius 9y ago
        You can do that, but those local vaults aren't part of the team/family.
        malchow 9y ago
        "You can do that, but those local vaults aren't part of the team/family." Yes, this is correct. So if you want to share items or share a vault with a family member, you are obligated to store and sync with 1Password servers.
        eridius 9y ago
        Well, you can use third-party syncing with local vaults to sync with family members, e.g. using Dropbox sync with a Dropbox shared folder to share your vault with a family member. This just doesn't fall under the heading of "team" or "family" syncing.
        deleted 9y ago
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        danieldk 9y ago
jonathankoren 9y ago
I was not able to do that with standalone 6.8 for mac and ios. I bought 1Password back in version 4.2, and have gotten free automatic upgrades to 6.8. I believe I even bought the family plan back then, but when I tried to use it recently, I got nothing but dialogs asking me to log in to 1password.com (which I don't have an account on), and/or get a subscription which I have no interest in doing. It was only by trying to activate an additional family account did I discover the change in the business plan.

netrap 9y ago

That's good to know.

wepple 9y ago

Given the change to their business model I am concerned they can push an update, where the next time I unlock my vault it syncs my master password and/or decrypted vault to their cloud. Maybe time for an open source password manager?

tedmiston 9y ago
I'm not sure where that concern is founded. They've been extremely clear that: - both products will continue to be supported - your master password doesn't sync to their cloud - your vault doesn't sync to their cloud unless you're using the subscription version and when it does sync, it's encrypted
- _jal 9y ago
  Well, no, unless I missed something, they have not been clear that local-storage 1Password will continue to work. They have carefully left the door open to changing that at some undefined point in the future. At which point I will migrate away. I love the apps (use it on MacOS and iOS), but local-only storage and non-cloud sync are my hard requirements. I'm willing to pay a monthly rent, but will not 'cloudify' my passwords.
  - tedmiston 9y ago
    Did you see the links included in my parent post? The founder specifically said that standalone vaults will continue to be supported. You don't have to sync your standalone vault to any service if you don't want to. Though of course it'd be difficult to use both the desktop and mobile apps if you don't sync somehow.
    - robin_reala 9y ago
      Will continue to be supported for 6 and 7. Nothing beyond that.
      - tedmiston 9y ago

clairity 9y ago

that feature is one of the primary reasons i jumped into the 1password boat from keepass. i have a personal vault and a shared team vault, both sitting on dropbox and shared to various devices and users as required. there is no need to use 1password.com at all.

rcthompson 9y ago

On the other hand, the fact that they're saying not everyone is ready "yet" seems to imply that they expect to eventually migrate everyone off standalone vaults.

curun1r 9y ago
This is an important point. I think 1Password folks need to hear that for a lot of customers, it will never be the case. There are many of us that consider managing the storage of our vaults as a fundamental safety feature of a password manager and will never cede control over that function to the company behind our password manager. Moreover, subscription pricing is a no-go for many of us. The possibility that a company will cease operations and the software will cease to function makes this kind of pricing a non-starter for something as crucial as password management. I'm perfectly happy to continue paying for major releases and will always upgrade provided the added features are compelling. But every version I purchase should work in perpetuity and should come with bug fixes, especially if vulnerabilities in the product are found. I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I love 1Password, but I hate their move towards being a service. There are alternatives that, while possibly not as good/polished, will allow me to continue to manage the password storage the way that I currently do and will continue to work, as is, for as long as I choose to use the software. Using them is a compromise I can make. Having a subscription password manager is not a compromise I can make.
- lox 9y ago
  I'm fine with subscription pricing provided the vault format remains published and and accessible and I can control the storage of my vault files if I choose. I'd even encourage it, I'd like AgileBits to be a long term viable business.

evantahler 9y ago

And you can use other Sync methods, like iCloud or move the files around yourself.

n4r9 9y ago
I recently moved to using SyncThing for syncing my keepass database. I realised that syncing it with Dropbox was not that much better than using a Web-based service.
- Shank 9y ago
  You're mistaken. It's completely different. While all file syncing tools will let the NSA intercept and mess with your data, a web client like 1Password could trivially be modified to intercept a password or decrypt in place and send data back to the mothership in the clear. Dropbox can't force 1Password to modify its binary.
  - n4r9 9y ago
    True, Dropbox is better in that regard. Still, the advantage of SyncThing is that an attacker would have to break TLS to even get to the point of entering the master password.

tw04 9y ago

https://blog.agilebits.com/2016/06/02/1password-6-beta-for-windows-opens-the-door-to-1password-families-and-1password-teams/ https://blog.agilebits.com/2016/06/02/1password-6-beta-for-w... 1Password 6 for Windows has been out for a year, and it still doesn't support local vaults. I'm going to consider my own and others skepticism of their commitment to local vaults completely valid.