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Show HN: SignRequest – Electronic Signatures for everyone
- sndr_srq2 9y agoHi HN, We believe that the fact that most people still use a pen and paper for a signature is something that we can fix. Where most of our competitors focus mostly on Enterprise, we are more focused on small to medium business. Our free plan offers unlimited contracts to everyone.
- pech0rin 9y agoHey! Curious about how you think of yourselves compared to DocuSign? Free plan is a nice addition.
- sndr_srq2 9y agoWe try to keep it simple, especially for the UX for the receiving parties, but also for the API users for example. We want to make electronic signatures accessible for everyone, so we are very affordable compared to DocuSign. Where DocuSign focuses on corporate sales, we focus on usability and thus grassroots growth without the need for expensive sales. We offer most features and integrations that out competitors offer. https://signrequest.com/en/plans/ https://signrequest.com/en/plans/
- bacheson1293 9y agoFYI pricing is not a powerful enough differentiator as you scale this thing ... I've used docu-sign a lot and it's UX is very simple and effective. There is not a whole lot of meat there either. That said well done! Looks very sleek.
- sndr_srq2 9y agoThanks! We have some extra and very new features planned, although at the moment those are not our first priorities.
- xori 9y agoIs there a reason why you don't electronically sign the PDF? I know to become an official Adobe Signing Authority is expensive but I feel like if it's your business it should be a priority. Edit: Link https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/approved-trust-list2.html https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/approved-trust-list2.html
- gruez 9y agoI'm sorry, but is it legally binding if all you're doing is scribbling into a text box? Presumably you'd need to do some sort of identity verification.
- toomuchtodo 9y agoDigital signatures carry the same legal authority as a wet signature in most cases (US advice). Very little verification exists.
- tokenizerrr 9y agoBut... Then you can literally just copy it. I don't really understand how signatures are still a thing, but this...
- tbcj 9y agoI would keep in mind that most disputes are not of the "I never signed this" variety. Even companies like DocuSign acknowledge that fact: "DocuSign electronic signatures have never been successfully repudiated or challenged in any court."
- sndr_srq2 9y agoWe keep track of lot of meta-data. Ip adress, email verification, bank account verification, telephone verification. It's up to the user to decide how secure they want to have the process.
- tokenizerrr 9y agoIt says legally binding, so I assume I can just print the result and use it in court. How does that work?
- sndr_srq2 9y agoTry signing a demo document. You will receive the signed document. including a signing log with all the extra meta data. We can verify that data based on the hash of the document, if needed.
- CoinLover 9y agoThis could save my company so much time rather than making people print stuff out, sign it, scan it, and send it back. I can't believe it's free.
- JumpCrisscross 9y agoHow do they make money? Don't love the idea of my potentially-sensitive documents or contacts being mined to sell ads. Note, too, that this is far from the only electronic signature provider [1][2][3], let alone free one [4][5][6]. Seems like a new one pops up every day. [1] https://account.docusign.com/#/username https://account.docusign.com/#/username [2] https://acrobat.adobe.com/us/en/sign.html https://acrobat.adobe.com/us/en/sign.html [3] https://rightsignature.com/pricing https://rightsignature.com/pricing [4] https://app.hellosign.com/info/pricing https://app.hellosign.com/info/pricing [5] http://www.esignatures.com http://www.esignatures.com [6] https://www.digisigner.com https://www.digisigner.com
- rockostrich 9y agoNot a single one of the free services you listed allows you to upload a document and send it to contacts without signing up first. I'm sure SignRequest will change its UI at one point to make you sign up, but currently that's its best feature in my opinion.
- client4 9y agoI've reviewed all of those services and none of the pricing models are right for me. Based on the features I'd like to use, I'm bumped into a higher price bracket even though I'm only doing 3-4 contracts per month. At that volume it's just been easier to either do it in person or have my signer print and send back a signature page. Whereas $7 or $14 per month is an easy signup.
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago> Based on the features I'd like to use, I'm bumped into a higher price bracket even though I'm only doing 3-4 contracts per month I have no horse in this race, but out of curiosity, what are those features?
- sndr_srq2 9y agoWe have a very generous free plan, because every document you send is an 'advertisement' for us. We don't use your documents, or your contacts in any way!! Our business plan is in up selling free user to paid user by all our extra features. You can read our TOS: https://signrequest.com/en/terms-of-use/ https://signrequest.com/en/terms-of-use/
- rockostrich 9y agoThis looks great. I didn't try it with a custom document, but the demo document worked very well and it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to use with other documents. One minor grievance: when converting, the client polls to see if the pdf was converted and shows a loading bar for every poll request which made it seem like things were broken. Things that I liked: - Only one slightly annoying request to sign up at the end, but the opt-out was clear and redirects back to the landing page. - The signing log is included with the completed document in the email. Services like Docusign make you log in order to view the completed document and I don't think they provide any sort of log. - The actual signing process is simple. I didn't try saving my signature or anything like that, but there's an import option which looks like it would be very easy to use with Preview's signature output.
- sndr_srq2 9y agoThanks for feedback! We used to have a web socket connection, but because of some minor technical difficulties we had to revert back to polling. The polling of the client is our 'plan-b' which will be a proper web socket connection soon again.
- shkkmo 9y agoHaving spent time researching this space for some potential freelancing projects, non-public API pricing is a deal breaker.
- sndr_srq2 9y agoIt really depends on the amount of documents and your specific needs. I know contacting is annoying, but it's impossible to have one public price for us. Contact us and I'm sure we are a lot fairer priced than our competitors.
- client4 9y agoI've been wanting this product for 6 months, and didn't have the will to make something internally for our company. Great product, you've nailed my price point (small business), going to do the trial and see whats up.
- sndr_srq2 9y agoHappy to hear! Welcome:)
- Dave_TRS 9y agoI've been waiting years for something like this! I actually did make an internal version for my company (a small underfunded startup) since paying a hefty subscription for something docusign and hellosign is a bit absurd just to easily sign documents electronically without downloaded software day to day personally or for small business
- ekns 9y agoThere's something similar in Finland from a company called Visma: https://allekirjoitus.visma.fi/ https://allekirjoitus.visma.fi/ It's tied to the de facto standard bank/other authentication system called TUPAS[1] which is used to prove your identity to government services, banks, etc. etc. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUPAS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUPAS
- cpursley 9y agoThe free plan looks great!
- LongTermBond007 9y agoWhy should I use this over something like Keybase?
- sndr_srq2 9y agoMost companies still need actual signatures because the law says so. You can use certificates or even HSM's to sign documents with SignRequest also if needed. Also, try explaining private keys to your non technical clients :)
- alistproducer2 9y agoI'm working on something similar right now'although, it's targeting a different audience. Obviously this has been under development for while, given the complexity of the service. I'd be interested to hear the origin story of this idea and company.
- sndr_srq2 9y agoFeel free to contact us! The biggest player in the market, and both our biggest competitor, is still the whole print-sign-scan loop. Welcome :)
- alistproducer2 9y agoI'm heartened by you guys making it to the front page and getting a good response because it definitely confirms that there is a market out there for these kind of services. Hopefully I can snag a big enough piece of it to be able to control my financial destiny. I wish I still used Python and Django cause I wouldn't mind applying to work with you guys. I've really enjoyed programming in this space, although my stack is PHP. Anyways, good luck to you!
- tertius 9y agoOfftopic, what's your frontend stack? The pages are super fast!
- sndr_srq2 9y agoWe are still running on Angular 1.5.x. But our static pages(faq. etc) are pre rendered plain html.
- dang 9y agoWe've banned this account and this site for using a well-known upvote-selling and comment-selling service. I wish everyone would realize that this is obvious in the data and not worth the risk. Perhaps someone could also communicate to the upvote-sellers that they're wasting their time? All: Spam votes and spam comments will get your accounts and sites banned on HN, so please don't.
- phreeza 9y agoHey dang, can you comment about the recent spree of comment spam here? (I mean the really trashy spam, not the brigading.) Does that happen every now and then or is it something new?
- hellbanner 9y agoAre you referring to "Reddit style comments"?
- Dylan16807 9y agoI've seen a bunch of "make money online with this one weird trick" style comments, so probably those.
- phreeza 9y agoyes, those.
- hellbanner 9y agoGotcha, I haven't seen those spam comments recently, must be heavy moderation.
- dang 9y agoIt happens now and then but the latest wave of is new in how much of it there is. If we have to, we'll write software to kill it, but we're sort of lazy about that, so we're hoping the existing anti-spam measures will work first. Fortunately, from a community point of view it's just a nuisance, because it all gets flagged. But we don't want to let it clog the system up too much.