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I really hate the naming trend over the past 10-15 years of using common words for projects. I can't really search for Espresso, or Jupiter, or Andromeda witho

I really hate the naming trend over the past 10-15 years of using common words for projects. I can't really search for Espresso, or Jupiter, or Andromeda without additional qualifiers that I may not know yet.

komali2 9y ago
Heh, that for me culminated when windows released a ubuntu subsystem. The names in order of popularity when it was originally announced (now they push for WSL) 1. Bash for Ubuntu on Windows 2. Windows Bash Shell 3. Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) Trying googling WSL - it's world surf league. Windows Bash Shell is impossible, so is Bash for Ubuntu on Windows. It's getting better as more and more articles are being written, but god almighty. I wouldn't be surprised if google is lending a helping hand with searches for WSL stuff.
- Swizec 9y ago
  It's a filter bubble issue. When I first started Ruby, it had been popular for 10+ years already. Many articles. Despite that, it was still impossible to search for. Look for Ruby, get gemstones. Look for gem, get even more gemstones. Eventually Google figured it out and now it's almost impossible to search for gemstones. If I search for gem almost all search results are about Ruby things. Same when searching for Ruby. Even "rails" now returns almost only Ruby on Rails stuff.
  - komali2 9y ago
    Have you tried searching when logged out of google? I'd imagine a rail worker searching lots of train stuff would generally get the right results when they searched on their account. But yea, worth bearing in mind when naming stuff.
    - deleted 9y ago
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    - true_religion 9y ago
      Perhaps, but under incognito I still get Ruby on rails if I search for "rails". I do get train info if I search for "rail".
  - flavor8 9y ago
    Try the same searches from an incognito window. It could just be that Google learned what Ruby you are searching for.
    - vidarh 9y ago
      I just did: 1. Download Ruby 2. Ruby entry on wikipedia (about the gemstone) All the rest on the first page are about the programming language in some way or the other (Rails, various books, various tutorial resources, Stackoverflow, trending on Github)
- milcron 9y ago
  And the 3rd name is backwards. It ought to be called 'Linux Subsystem for Windows'.
  - SpaceManNabs 9y ago
    THAT IS IT! I was wondering why the name always felt funky. Although the name they have now is technically correct if you ignore standard noun to adjective conventions.
    - pavement 9y ago
      ...or it's missing an apostrophe. a. Windows' Subsystem for Linux b. Window's Subsystem for Linux Each option has its own sort of context.
      - bdowling 9y ago
        If you're making it a possessive using an apostrophe, then it should be "Windows's Subsystem for Linux" because Windows is singular in that context.
        IncRnd 9y ago
        That's not the entire story, unfortunately. There are other rules. For example, Windows might be considered a family name, as there are several Windows Operating Systems. Also, this is a technical name, and technical writing often follows different rules, specifically in cases such as this. For the possessive form of Windows I would look at the Microsoft Manual of Style, which for me is the fourth edition. Page 184: Possessive Nouns -------------- Do not use the possessive form of Microsoft. Do not use the possessive form of other company names unless you have no other choice. And do not use the possessive form of a product, service, or feature name. You can use these names as adjectives, or you can use an of construction instead. Microsoft style: the Windows interface Microsoft products, services, and technologies Word templates --------------
        9y ago
- userbinator 9y ago
  Indeed, it would've been far better if they called it WinBuntu Bash or some other similarly distinctive name. ...then again, WINE isn't exactly unique either.
- skrebbel 9y ago
  The internal name is lxss. I'm sad they didnt make that the default because it's very googlable. That said WSL tends to work if you pair it with whatever your issue is. IMO the most ridiculous name in this whole story is their github repo, Microsoft/BashOnWindows. I mean, bash has worked fine on Windows for decades, and it doesn't require an entire subsystem at all :-) WSL isn't half bad compared to that.
AznHisoka 9y ago
Also when did EmcaScript conveniently became ES? when i see someone mention ES6, I think its elasticserch but its not
TeMPOraL 9y ago
I hate it too. Especially if they take something with a somewhat awesome name. It waters the meaning down. My go-to example is Terraform, a glorified configuration manager that has absolutely nothing to do with the process of terraforming.
adrianratnapala 9y ago
To me it seems a return to the an older tradition, of names being names rather than descriptions (which inevitably fail to describe). Using common words for names is also ancient and inevitable. In the modern age there is a practical argument against it -- as made up nonsense is more googlable. But people making up names don't really care about that in any visceral way.
captainlego 9y ago
While your original point is valid, I did get decent results with "Google Espresso", "Google Jupiter Network", and "Google Andromeda Network". Though, in today's world, your Google results may look vastly different from mine.

komali2 9y ago

Heh, that for me culminated when windows released a ubuntu subsystem. The names in order of popularity when it was originally announced (now they push for WSL) 1. Bash for Ubuntu on Windows 2. Windows Bash Shell 3. Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) Trying googling WSL - it's world surf league. Windows Bash Shell is impossible, so is Bash for Ubuntu on Windows. It's getting better as more and more articles are being written, but god almighty. I wouldn't be surprised if google is lending a helping hand with searches for WSL stuff.

Swizec 9y ago
It's a filter bubble issue. When I first started Ruby, it had been popular for 10+ years already. Many articles. Despite that, it was still impossible to search for. Look for Ruby, get gemstones. Look for gem, get even more gemstones. Eventually Google figured it out and now it's almost impossible to search for gemstones. If I search for gem almost all search results are about Ruby things. Same when searching for Ruby. Even "rails" now returns almost only Ruby on Rails stuff.
- komali2 9y ago
  Have you tried searching when logged out of google? I'd imagine a rail worker searching lots of train stuff would generally get the right results when they searched on their account. But yea, worth bearing in mind when naming stuff.
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - true_religion 9y ago
    Perhaps, but under incognito I still get Ruby on rails if I search for "rails". I do get train info if I search for "rail".
- flavor8 9y ago
  Try the same searches from an incognito window. It could just be that Google learned what Ruby you are searching for.
  - vidarh 9y ago
    I just did: 1. Download Ruby 2. Ruby entry on wikipedia (about the gemstone) All the rest on the first page are about the programming language in some way or the other (Rails, various books, various tutorial resources, Stackoverflow, trending on Github)
milcron 9y ago
And the 3rd name is backwards. It ought to be called 'Linux Subsystem for Windows'.
- SpaceManNabs 9y ago
  THAT IS IT! I was wondering why the name always felt funky. Although the name they have now is technically correct if you ignore standard noun to adjective conventions.
  - pavement 9y ago
    ...or it's missing an apostrophe. a. Windows' Subsystem for Linux b. Window's Subsystem for Linux Each option has its own sort of context.
    - bdowling 9y ago
      If you're making it a possessive using an apostrophe, then it should be "Windows's Subsystem for Linux" because Windows is singular in that context.
      - IncRnd 9y ago
        That's not the entire story, unfortunately. There are other rules. For example, Windows might be considered a family name, as there are several Windows Operating Systems. Also, this is a technical name, and technical writing often follows different rules, specifically in cases such as this. For the possessive form of Windows I would look at the Microsoft Manual of Style, which for me is the fourth edition. Page 184: Possessive Nouns -------------- Do not use the possessive form of Microsoft. Do not use the possessive form of other company names unless you have no other choice. And do not use the possessive form of a product, service, or feature name. You can use these names as adjectives, or you can use an of construction instead. Microsoft style: the Windows interface Microsoft products, services, and technologies Word templates --------------
        9y ago
userbinator 9y ago
Indeed, it would've been far better if they called it WinBuntu Bash or some other similarly distinctive name. ...then again, WINE isn't exactly unique either.
skrebbel 9y ago
The internal name is lxss. I'm sad they didnt make that the default because it's very googlable. That said WSL tends to work if you pair it with whatever your issue is. IMO the most ridiculous name in this whole story is their github repo, Microsoft/BashOnWindows. I mean, bash has worked fine on Windows for decades, and it doesn't require an entire subsystem at all :-) WSL isn't half bad compared to that.

AznHisoka 9y ago

Also when did EmcaScript conveniently became ES? when i see someone mention ES6, I think its elasticserch but its not

TeMPOraL 9y ago

I hate it too. Especially if they take something with a somewhat awesome name. It waters the meaning down. My go-to example is Terraform, a glorified configuration manager that has absolutely nothing to do with the process of terraforming.

adrianratnapala 9y ago

To me it seems a return to the an older tradition, of names being names rather than descriptions (which inevitably fail to describe). Using common words for names is also ancient and inevitable. In the modern age there is a practical argument against it -- as made up nonsense is more googlable. But people making up names don't really care about that in any visceral way.

captainlego 9y ago

While your original point is valid, I did get decent results with "Google Espresso", "Google Jupiter Network", and "Google Andromeda Network". Though, in today's world, your Google results may look vastly different from mine.