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It's fine to disagree with his political views. That's precisely his point: the freedom to disagree is the foundation of a free society. What facts were distor
by stenl 9y ago
It's fine to disagree with his political views. That's precisely his point: the freedom to disagree is the foundation of a free society.
What facts were distorted? That he was jailed, multiple times, for defending freedom of expression? That he died in custody? That his wife Liu Xia was under house arrest for years without charges? Or was it his role during the Tiananmen protests and subsequent massacre? That he negotiated the free passage of students from Tiananmen, saving many from the advancing tanks?
- dis-sys 9y agoThere are certain views that should never ever be publicly stated, e.g. Liu said China needs to be colonized for 300 years to get better, is it just free of speech? sound quite repressive to me. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/15/nobel-winner-liu-xiaobo-chinese-dissident https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/15/nobel-...
- redial 9y ago> There is certain views that should never ever be publicly stated Who gets to decide what is or is not allowed to be spoken? > Liu said China needs to be colonized for 300 years to get better, is it just free of speech? sound quite repressive to me. Even if it is repressive, preventing him to say it by arresting him and his family is not repressive to you?
- ideal0227 9y ago> Even if it is repressive, preventing him to say it by arresting him and his family is not repressive to you? Are you sure he was arrest because of saying that? Do you have any facts to support your view? > Liu said China needs to be colonized for 300 years to get better, is it just free of speech? sound quite repressive to me. Do you think Liu deserves Nobel Peace Prize after saying that publicly? Remember that the argument was "There is certain views that should never ever be publicly stated".
- redial 9y ago> Do you think Liu deserves Nobel Peace Prize after saying that publicly? I don't care one way or the other, it's the Nobel committee's decision who they award the prize to. It makes no difference to me. It doesn't make what he, or any other Nobel Laureate say any more true or worthy of consideration. > Remember that the argument was "There is certain views that should never ever be publicly stated". There was no argument, it was a statement. If you want to argue in favor of why some views should never be publicly stated and who is gonna decide what is/is not allowed, go ahead.
- dis-sys 9y agoyou came to this thread largely because Liu is not a random dude on street, he had the nobel peace prize. if you want to argue "I don't care", you need to back yourself up better. the core issue here is simple: how come such a man who repeatedly made such extremist styles comments in public got awarded the nobel peace prize.
- redial 9y ago> the core issue here is simple: how come such a man who repeatedly made such extremist styles comments in public got awarded the nobel peace prize. That is your issue, not mine. > you came to this thread largely because Liu is not a random dude on street, he had the nobel peace prize. I am here because of the outrageous comment you made about ‘certain views that should never ever be publicly stated’. If you can’t defend your opinions then why are you here? Can you, or can you not explain how do you support your extremist views?
- dis-sys 9y ago> Who gets to decide what is or is not allowed to be spoken? You can spend your entire life arguing whether it is good or bad for China to be colonized by the west for 300 years, I am not going to waste my time on that.
- ruleabidinguser 9y agoAnd by your words no one else is allowed to either? Why?
- redial 9y agoSure, it might be a stupid argument, why is it banned again? Oh, you just don't like it.
- coolsdude2282 9y ago>Who gets to decide what is or is not allowed to be spoken? In America we have helpful groups like Southern Poverty Law Center which direct us to which ideas are bad speech that shouldn't be allowed. Maybe China should follow our example and privatize their speech curatorship police, then they would be more free.
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoYou are free to disregard the southern poverty law center if you'd like, and the last time I checked, they can't throw you in jail.